Breaking News: Head of AQI killed north of Baghdad

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Details are hazy, but local media is reporting that the head of al Qaeda in Iraq was killed in Balad today. Brigadier General Abdul Karim Khalef, speaking for the Ministry of the Interior, said Abu Ayyub al Masri died during a fight between two militant groups. Al Masri became head of al Qaeda in June, 2006 after Abu Masad al Zaqarwi was killed by American forces. The report has not yet been confirmed because the body has not been recovered, but the story is just now appearing on Bloomberg and in the IHT and everyone here seems pretty sure about this one.


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Now repeat with me the usual cheers every time an event is supposed to end violence in Iraq:

This is very bad news for the Democrats.!

Nancy Pelosi must be really mad!

Zarqawi's death is very bad news for Democrats!

Proof that the surge is working! (even though insurgents killed Al-Masri).

Public opinion will now tip in favor to Republicans!

If you can demonstrate any connection between your comment and the content of my post, I'll recommend reinstating you. And FYI, it's Masri who's reported dead today. Not Zarqawi. That was last year. I know, I know, they're all the same to you, but we try for a little precision around here.

Enjoy your worm.

"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld

It's called an analogy,and analogies are a valid form of argument.
You take two cases which have a relevant similarity and predict a second similarity based on the previous one:

An Al Qaeda's feared leader was killed before in Iraq.
This Al Qaeda figure was one of the most cruel, temerary terrorists in the world,and his death did not put an end to violence in Iraq, but on the contrary, high waves of terrorism followed his death until today.

Now another leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq has been killed in Iraq.; one who is far less known and relentless than Al Zarqawi.
It is to be expected that violence will not decreased due to this death.

Can you provide the reasoning that leads you to believe that Al Masri's death is more important than Zarqawi's?

to be you. So shrill.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

The one that an increase in terrorism in Iraq followed the death of Zarqawi? Or the hope that Masri's case will be different without having any indication that it will?

The war is a negative for Republicans, even when there's good news.

But our presence in Iraq is stopping another round of genocide.

Oh, I forgot - you're a lefty Democrat: April 30, 1975 is your unofficial holiday.

in some other place right now.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Hater got banned for that?!? Wow

with it, there is a contact button at the top of the page, tell someone who cares.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

didn't recognize you at first. How's things?

It is sort of ironic, don't you think, that sniveling over a banning raised your profile and got you banned for a second time.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

He managed to prove that what he hated was the people that post here.

An interesting observation. We seem to get these in groups never as just singletons.
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Sniveling? OK, that's one point of wiew. All I did was ask which comment got me banned, which has gone unanswered. Any insight?

So which one of you is the plagiarist from William and Mary?

Look it up. Somewhere else.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

Got one here for you. 750 words condemning this, by tomorrow afternoon. I expect to see at least two snarks and a more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger.

(pause)

Well, what are you waiting for? This is the niche that you picked for yourself: shadowing our banning policies. So get cracking, already.

We can always find somebody else to do this, you know. It's not like your job perfomance is all that.

Moe

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

But even if he's assumed room temperature, it still won't stop the car bombings. I'll be posting updates to this post whenever new information is reported.

Thanks for the link. For what it's worth, there's a lot of booming going on in Baghdad, so I think it's fair to say someone is unhappy about this report. As for car bombs, it is perhaps safer to say that we don't know what effect this event, if confirmed, will have on local violence.

"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld

if this pans out it will be as significant, if not more significant, than the death of Zarqawi.

While al Masri will undoubtedly be replaced he took along on his vacation to warmer climes information that only he has.

It will take some time for a new leader to emerge, for cells to reestablish contact, and for the organization to sort itself out. If we're lucky, we might even see a power struggle emerge.

His loss comes at a very inopportune time for his organization as it is under pressure not only from US forces and an improving Iraqi defense establishment but from tribal militias that are simply tired of the violence.

I'm not sure anyone thinks AQIZ is going to go away in some thunderclap of a singular event, but if you look at how the Rote Armee Fraktion and Brigada Rossa were brought down it was through successive waves of organizational decapitation which prevented a coherent strategy from being planned and executed. If you go back to this theory the gravitational field of the Iraqi security forces just strengthened a bit and some number of potential AQIZ recruits just decided to stay at home and act out on their PlayStation.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

in at least two particulars:

1) in the physical world one cannot practically cause a significant gravitational center to simply vanish; it must be moved to a different location (or locations, if fractured (but such fracturing is a tough function of mass)), in the process dragging its satellites along. In the political world, however, a real void has apparently been created* which, as you imply, may have the desired effect of drawing some of the intermediate and far satellites into a safer** well

2) in the physical world the interaction of the multiple centers near the bottom of the well would tend toward aggregation, with increased gravitation. If today's reports hold true--that this was the work of a competing faction--the net effect in the real world would be reduced strength at the center, as above

*politically speaking, of course--no annihilationist I
**for us, at least; hopefully for them as well

soli Deo gloria

They're really upset about the al-Masri story. Pelosi & Reid had planned the arrival of the Democrats' Defeat Act to the White House so that that would be today's dominant news story. Needless to say, one diarist thinks that the al-Masri story is a nothing story designed to keep the "Mission Accomplished" 'embarrassment' off the front page.

This proves the old cliche that "a little paranoia goes a long ways."

  • "Our troops murdered the guy and we are trying to cover it up."
  • "This will just make them hate us more."
  • "This proves the depth of the civil war in Iraq that we have caused."

and it's easy to sum up 98% of the comments:
1) It's probably false information
2) Even if true it doesn't matter

Life is simple when you're a liberal.

When Zarqawi died. Maybe this is why Democrats are not cheering this news. Realism anyone?

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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Could it be because the Democrats are supporting terrorists like Zarqawi? What other reason could there be? Why would anyone want to surrender to people like him?

Another one bites the dust...

I won't trust it until the US military confirms al-Masri's death.

With any luck his faction will want revenge and so on and so on. Should make all of them easy pickins.
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The war of revenge is ongoing. I began when AQIZ offed a few tribal sheiks and senior tribal leaders in al-Anbar. What has drawn the tribals into the war against AQIZ instead of helping or tolerating them are these murders.

I think the real question is what this does for AQIZ recruiting when you know joining that organization gains you free admittance to an ongoing vendetta and in might very well get your family admittance also.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

You are implying that the Iraq war has now changed and Sunni are battling Al Qaeda. I can find you several articles from '06 and '05 in which fighting between these two factions was reported.
It is Republicans needed to ignore this in order to prove that insurgents and terrorists are the same. They are not the same.
Shia also battle Shia. We all have heard about Al Sadr being attaced by other militias.
Don't tell me now that all of a sudden Iraq is a rosy place or that anything is better today than it was yesterday.
The Sunni that killed Masri have attacked and will continue to attack us, and Al Qaeda will continue to grow as predicted by our intelligence agencies, if the Iraq occupation continues.

"I can find you several articles from '06 and '05 in which fighting between these two factions was reported."

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Our terms of service forbid multiple registrations. You've been tossed, again. Blackholed IP, note to admin, the works.

Was it worth it? Was it good for you?

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I think the real news of this isn't so much that this guy was killed (if he was), but how he was killed. There have been scatterings of news reports over the past year or so about infighting among the disparate parties which collectively form the insurgency.

It's no secret, of course, that Shi'ite groups (Mahdi, etal) have been targeting Sunnis, and vice versa. But this story, if it's accurate, says that al-Qaida was attacked by another Sunni group -- and one apparently involved in the insurgency (are you listening Rep. Reyes?).

The CW in counter-insurgency is that winning it means flipping the loyalty of enough of the interested parties -- particularly those with intimate knowledge of the inner-workings of the insurgency -- such that it can no longer function efficiently.

So, it's not hard to see this as a difficult development for the insurgency.

But the other side of this coin could be something of a preparation for the spoils of victory. One couldn't blame the insurgents -- seeing the vote in Congress, listening to Harry Reid declare the war lost, etc. -- for thinking that victory was near and that the US would soon be withdrawing from the theater.

So it's possible, too, that this apparent crackup is in anticipation of a day of free rein over Iraq.

Let's get some more!

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