The Iraqi people, front and center

How about we check with those who will be affected by the war, for better or worse, long after we leave?

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The debate about the war in Iraq often focuses on America’s national security, other countries’ opinions of the US, “what is best for the troops,” and, of course, the Bush administration. Only on the rarest of occasions is lip service paid to those who will feel the effects of our decisions on the war most immediately, most acutely, and for the longest time – the Iraqi people. At the end of the day, Americans can simply click off their television sets and forget about the situation in Iraq. For the families living there, that’s just not possible. They have to live forever with the consequences of our actions.

As Lt. Colonel James Crider, Squadron commander of the 1-4 Cavalry (“Quarter Cav”), told me, “I’ve had several Iraqis tell me that...[t]hey want us here - not forever, but for now, until they can take care of themselves.”

“'It would be a disaster if you leave now,' they tell me.”

“At the end of the day, Americans can simply click off their TV sets and forget about the situation in Iraq. For the families living there, that’s just not possible.”

Iraqis’ opinions, actions, and  welfare, should be front and center in this debate. I spoke with many Iraqis, as well as many soldiers about the Iraqis, during my recent trip to Baghdad.  We talked about the current situation there and the effect of the American political debate on their lives and actions. Though the views of  Iraqis, like those of Americans, span the spectrum of possible opinions, most of the  people I met had one thing in common: a longing for freedom and safety, coupled with a knowledge that they need our help -- at least in the near term.

The national government of Iraq is struggling against the ingrained mindset of the Iraqi people to think of themselves as members of tribes, sects, neighborhoods, and clans, rather than as members of a unified nation. “Saddam kept the country together,” an Iraqi expatriate, who fled in the 1990s and returned this year as a contractor, told me. “It hurts me to say this, but what we need is the American army to completely take over the government. The people are not ready for freedom yet; you took away the one thing that had held the country together without anything to replace him. That was a very big mistake.”

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An Army Specialist agreed, saying, “I don’t know if we can win [this war] in the sense of leaving a perfect democracy here or an ideal situation in that sense -- my feeling is sometimes that it might take another dictator, because the people here still don’t understand freedom the same way we do. Also, they don’t think of themselves as a nation -- they think in terms of religion, sect, and tribe. They follow their local or religious leaders. A dictator is what it took before to hold the place together as one country, and might again.”
 
The American government is not helping, as it is playing its all-too-public political games. Though he may have thought of it as just being between him and his “friends” in the mainstream media and the fringe “Daily Kos” left, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) comment that “the war is lost” and “the surge…hasn’t accomplished anything” was splashed on the front page of every news outlet from Al Jazeera to the Iranian state newspaper. Contrary to the beliefs of all too many Americans who seem tied to the notion that the Iraqi people are both blind and ignorant, Congress’s votes to set a withdrawal date from Iraq -- much like their other, similar votes and statements -- were heard with perfect clarity by Iraqis, as well as by the insurgents who take heart from them. These statements encourage Iran to increase its involvement, as well, as they are seeing an increasing political return on their deadly investment in this war. (A Colonel within the MNF-I political apparatus told me that “if you take [Iran] out of the equation…we could probably reduce our casualties almost in half.”)

“I had people coming up to me as we patrolled the neighborhoods saying, ‘We heard you were leaving,’ an officer with Quarter Cav told me. “They don’t understand our process; they don’t know that this is just rhetoric, or that it will be vetoed. All they know is that the leaders of our Congress said that it’s a lost cause, and that our government has voted to pick up and go home.”

Such statements by America’s political leaders are “terrible,” an Army public affairs soldier told me. She continued, “I understand political posturing …but it really is terrible. If the war is lost and we need to go home, then why do we need to stay here five more months, when I could die or my friends could die” for a lost cause? “The war is either over or it isn’t; this just doesn’t make sense.

“What we want is to keep helping the people here. The people at home who say these things, they don’t understand that these are people who have to live here after we leave, whatever the situation is. These people and the things that happen here aren’t real to them, and they can’t understand unless they’ve been here and seen it.”

Like many Americans at home, there are  several soldiers who would like nothing more than to see the US end its involvement with Iraq as soon as possible. There are also many, though, who, having established a presence on the ground, and having spent time among the people of Iraq, want to see this mission through to a successful conclusion, not only for America’s sake, but for the sake of the people of Iraq whom they have gotten to know during their time in country.

Our young combat leaders understand -- better than senior political leaders at home -- how we hold the lives of Iraqis in our hands.  One example is a bespectacled captain of infantry I spoke with , who was on his second tour in Iraq and had been there since just before Gen. Petraeus’s confirmation as the new head of MNF-I.

I asked what he thought about the mission in Iraq, and what he thought the prospects for success were. Gazing pensively at the ground, he took a moment to collect his thoughts, and said, “Well, politically, staying here probably isn’t the best decision.” Given the situation at home, he added, “winning here seems less possible all the time, even though we’re now doing what it is we probably should have been doing all along.” Recovering from that moment of near despair, he paused and glanced up, and, looking earnestly at me through his thick, military-issue glasses, he said, “There’s not a single one of my soldiers who doesn’t look at the neighborhood we’re in, look at the children there, and not want to do whatever they can to give these kids as bright a future as possible. We want to finish this job, and we know we can do it.”

The Iraqi people themselves, though, are also an obstacle to their own success. “What has to happen here,” one noncommissioned officer told me, “is that the Iraqi people have to take a chance, risk their lives, and stand up against al-Qaeda and everybody else. Once they decide that they want freedom and peace, and want to work with us, then it will all be over.”

“It’s easy to live as a coward. If they want to be free, they will have to take the risk.”

What the Iraqi people need more than anything else to push them toward making that decision is a consistent, unified message, both from America and from their government, that as long as they are willing to work for their own freedom and self-sufficiency, they will be supported with whatever it takes, and with no threats of precipitous  withdrawal and abandonment -- an act which would leave them at the mercy of an unspeakably brutal insurgency.

What many of the troops, and many of the Iraqi people, both want and need is to be given the support and the resources which will allow them to establish a free and secure state which can endure without an overt American presence. More than anything else, they need the time to succeed.

The last time we asked the Iraqi people to stand up to oppression and barbarism was after the 1991 Gulf War when we encouraged revolt against Saddam. They did, and we failed to come to their aid.  We have asked  much more of them in this war. This time, we must be faithful to them, and to ourselves.

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The U.S. should orchestrate a nationwide vote where Iraqi citizens, not politicians, have a direct vote on whether or not U.S. troops stay in Iraq.

If they vote for us to leave, we can honorably leave and hand over security to Iraq. If they vote for us to stay, we will have an incredible amount of legitamacy for being there, and can continue our aggressive fight against insurgents.

This solution seems so simple, I'm surprised more leaders are not pushing it. The only candidate I have heard propose it is former Governor Tommy Thompson.

"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich. "

William F. Buckley, Jr.

A nationwide vote gives the US a cleaner exit or it give the US political ammo to stay. I don't see the downsides to it.

If you always find yourself arguing the exceptions rather than the rule you just might be rapidly sliding down your own slippery slope to irrelevance. -CommonCents

We encouraged the Shiites and Kurds to seek independence after the Gulf War, and we abandoned them after they ran into the Saddam buzzsaw. The first time was a travesty, but if we withdrawal too quickly, we'll be stabbing them in the back all over again.

(and he probably is) about 50% of our casualties are coming at the hands of Iran we should declare war and bombs away.

The debate about the war in Iraq often focuses on America’s national security, other countries’ opinions of the US, “what is best for the troops,” and, of course, the Bush administration.

But really, America's national security (and by connection, America's superiority in the world) is about the only good reason for doing anything in Iraq.

What's best for the Iraqis rightfully falls well below even what is best for the administration with regards to what drivers should factor into what America does. It's not that I wish ill will on Iraqi citizens, but they better not be anywhere close to as important as American citizens are for our government leaders. And I know a post like this is, I guess, supposed to build a sense of support for the administration's position vis-a-vis maintaining troop levels for the forseeable future, but is it really necessary to sell that with sympathy and appeals to humanitarian aid?

From my perspective the well being of Iraqis really shouldnt factor into a decision to stay or leave, at all. Either there are very good reasons for America and American citizens for us to continue investing cash and lives there which stand entirely on their own and justify the current direction, or else there simply isn't a good reason to be there, sad state of Iraqi day to day life notwithstanding.

My working assumption has been that the administration is there for reasons that, if successful, will indeed extend the scope and length of America's position as the sole world superpower. I'd like to think the troops there also have those ends in mind as their primary motivation. Maybe I'm being unfair, yet I can't help but wonder at what's up when your face to face reporting seems to indicate the driving motivation for these troops is one of a humanitarian nature, I mean, really, "give these kids as bright a future as possible"? Is this something we owe them or did we decide to be really generous to this particular group of foreigners?

I dont begrudge Iraqi children every chance for a bright future that they and their parents can secure for them, but if our venture there is boiling down to a massive foreign aid program, then I'd just as soon see it spun down and the expenditures turned back toward American citizens, American families and their children in the form of tax cuts or debt reduction.

So I don't know... as a human interest story this is very appealing and it tugs at the heart in a Sally Struthers sort of way. As a serious reason for our continued efforts there, it really falls short. I tend to think this sort of story does a real disservice to the more important goals that the administration ought to have with regards to Iraq, and which the American people would do well to be more attuned to.

We started owing them the day we pre-emptively invaded their country and deposed their government. That the government we deposed deserved it isn't relevant -- the day we invaded we took responsibility for the future of the Iraqi people, and it's up to us to discharge that responsiblity as best as we can.

I've believed that from the day we invaded. Truthfully, in the interest of full disclosure, mind you, the day before we invaded, I was dead-set against the war. But the moment we invaded that responsibility to fix things became ours, and IMHO, we *have* to stay until they're self sufficient again.

It's not a matter of humanitarianism. It's a matter of what's right.

You go to war for your own interests and nobody else's, period. But once you are there, you can't walk away from the people whose lives you have changed forever.

And more specifically, if we hang the Iraqis out to dry, who ever will want to stick their necks out for us in the future? I swear, guys like Reid are the inversion of the Marine slogan: no worse friend, no better enemy.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Zroxx, you make a great point. I was thinking a vote may be a good tactic to re-establish support for our mission. I am tired of all the name calling and mudslinging politics crap. Let's draw a line in the sand, take a vote and see where everybody stands.

I'd like to see Dems spin their way out of that one.

If you always find yourself arguing the exceptions rather than the rule you just might be rapidly sliding down your own slippery slope to irrelevance. -CommonCents

There's only one problem with this vote. What if it turns out that the majority or Iraqis want us to go home? According to many on this board, it would allow the U.S. to leave gracefully. My question would be then, what about Al Qaeda? I thought Iraq was the central front of the War on Terror (or the Long War, whatever you want to call it). How could we leave the central front, even if the majority of Iraqis want us gone? All the vote would likely do is force America to admit that we are there for our security and our security alone. "We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here." How does that fit in to this vote? How can we look Iraqis in the eye and say, "I know you want us gone, but we're going to stay anyway until we defeat Al Qaeda." Not a very pleasing prospect for the Bush administration. They can't allow a vote like that becuase they have to have some political cover for why we'll most likely be there for years to come.

Those of you who want this vote are assuming that most Iraqis want us to stay. I wouldn't be so confident. And by the way, almost 7 in 10 Americans have drawn a line in the sand when it comes to this war. But you know what? I'll allow this surge to run its course, and let's see what Rep. Bohener(sic?) says if the surge has not worked. If it has, then I definitely think Bush has bought more time on the issue.

So we know who you're talking to, hit "reply to this" on the comment to which you're responding.

Thanks.

 
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