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Over at Flash Report they've followed the story of Assemblyman Chuck DeVore's (Republican of Orange County) Assembly Bill 1940, which would allow pregnant women to get temporary placards to park their cars in handicapped parking spaces. The Assemblyman has gotten many reports of pregnant women who have trouble in large, full parking lots, particularly in the summer, when they have a long way to walk.
It seems like a simple, common-sense thing we can do to help expectant mothers, right? Think again. Democrats defeated the bill in committee, with a member who voted to defeat the bill, Assemblywoman Betty Karnette (Democrat of Long Beach) saying that instead of this, pregnant women "need a man around the house."
Apparently Karnette, NOW, and the rest of the radical left think that pregnant women need to live their lives as helpless shut-ins, living at the whims of the men in their lives, even if it means staying home all day because the men have to go out and earn a living.
It baffles me how anyone can claim that positions like these are pro-women. How far have we sunk, that an organization gains credibility as 'pro-woman' by favoring unrestricted abortion on demand, but can then actively seek to hinder pregnant women like this?
I guess NOW just hates women who don't kill their young.
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...before she decided to keep the baby, the "doctor" at Planned Parenthood told her, and I quote: Intelligent women have abortions, white trash have babies.
I kid you not. It took her a while to get over that statement. She was shaken.
But, thank the Lord, her son just recently turned 10.
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The pro aborts detest women who wish to give birth. Afterall a woman who wishes to have a child is depriving an abortion clinic of potential revenue. Naturally the pro death lobby will make life as difficult as possible for the pro life woman. The abortion clinics are the new concentration camps where the unborn are executed. Those who support abortion in any way are the new Nazis and are agents of Satan.
An article titled Our own Holocaust is worth reading :Telegraph
This is an excerpt:
About 200,000 unborn children are aborted every year in England and Wales, many because doctors have decided they will be handicapped. That is a killing rate of nearly 550 a day: less than the number of people gassed daily at Auschwitz, but a horrifically large number none the less – and larger than the numbers of defenceless handicapped murdered by the Nazis.
We have successfully disguised the enormity of what we are doing from ourselves, just as the Nazis did. Next Thursday should not be an occasion for congratulating ourselves on how far we have come from the moral abyss of National Socialism. It should rather prompt an honest recognition of how disturbingly close our abortion laws have taken us to it.
I've always wondered what would be said if a young couple were to walk into a PP clinic and ask to speak to a counselor, seeking advice, on how to plan their parenthood. The first question could be something like, "we'd like to have at least 5 or 6 children. What do you recommend?"
If you ever need help beating the living crap out of said boyfriend, please let me know. I'd happily do it for free.
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It would be nice if government simply got itself out of the unnecessary role of telling businesses who can park and where, and let each business owner decide for themselves how to manage their parking lots. Those who want to let pregnant women park closer could, those who don't, well that's up to them. The last thing we need is more legislation.
I've noticed several grocery stores here in the Atlanta area have a couple of close-up parking spots reserved for expecting mothers.
And not only do I think that awfully nice, it would seem that such a thing makes great business sense. After all, expecting families are going to buy a lot of groceries.
Putting aside the issue of if Government should get involved in such things at all, the fact is that there are these spots. I see no reason why pregnant women shouldn't be able to use it.
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I personally find "handicapped" parking stickers for pregnant women silly....I walked miles when I was pregnant so I wouldn't get fat and women have done much more than that over the centuries while pregnant...I am not surprised this is in CA though....anything to make life easier is constantly being pushed which of course leads to people really not being prepared for the harshness that life could become.
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Sorry Jaded, but I have to disagree. Many women have no problem at all walking long distances during their pregnancies. I, and many other women, have plenty of problems. Of my three pregnancies, I've spent two of them on bed rest, one formally prescribed by a doctor and the other just sort of recommended. When your baby has already threatened to come a couple of months too early and every step you take makes you afraid you're going to cause a premature delivery, a handicap parking placard would sure come in handy.
If you don't need it, don't apply for it. But please don't begrudge it to those of us who do.
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...with my second pregnancy as prescribed by my midwife and 3 OB specialists. (I lost 3 babies to miscarriages before going full term with my oldest child.) I still didn't need a closer parking place because women on prescribed bed rest are in bed-not driving around looking for parking places and running errands.
If a woman's pregnancy is normal enough for her to be out of bed shopping after walking from the handicap spot she is healthy enough to walk from the farthest parking spot. Good grief, even the farthest parking spot at the mall is only an additional 3-5 minute walk. If 3-5 minutes is putting a baby at actual risk, the woman has NO BUSINESS walking around at all.
Assuming NOW or any other members of the pro-choice cult are against THIS silly proposal because they want babies to die is ridiculous.
The unspeakably horrible, ghastly realities of abortion are legitimate arguments against abortion. This article is weak. Suggesting anyone in opposition this proposal is anti-baby is a gross misrepresentation.
Temporarily classifying healthy women as invalids is not pro-life. It's just pro-close parking for no medical reason.
difficult pregnancies and would not have been able to debate whether that the placard would be needed. I have known women on bed rest and they were not driving anywhere and when I helped my friend to her doctor's office I just dropped her off in front...which by the way was closer than the disabled parking. This type of law is rife for abuse as is the disabled parking now....you cannot believe the healthy strong able bodied people who have those temporary placards....they are definitely lying to get them..
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If a woman's pregnancy is normal enough for her to be out of bed shopping after walking from the handicap spot she is healthy enough to walk from the farthest parking spot. Good grief, even the farthest parking spot at the mall is only an additional 3-5 minute walk. If 3-5 minutes is putting a baby at actual risk, the woman has NO BUSINESS walking around at all.
Excellent point!
How would you know what circumstances might force another woman out of bed when she's on prescribed bed rest? Presumably you know that there are different levels of bed rest; some complete and total and others partial. You haven't lived my life with two older children, one of them handicapped. You don't know the hours of therapy my handicapped daughter had to attend in a nearby city. My husband couldn't do everything; sometimes I had to get out of bed in order for us to keep going.
When my employer, who isn't governed by state definitions in determining who can park in private handicapped parking spaces, offered to classify me as temporarily handicapped, my obstetrician recommended it. This meant the difference for me between having to walk a mile in from a remote parking lot or being able to park a hundred feet from my office. Without that concession, I wouldn't have been able to continue going in to work at all.
I'm sorry you lost three children. I didn't want to go through the same experience. I spent a night lying on a hospital gurney having drugs pumped into me, hoping and praying my daughter wasn't going to be born two months early, trying to figure out how I was going to spend time in the NICU with her if she did come early when I already had two other children. I am surprised that having been through the experience you have, you remain as judgemental as you are towards others. Why in the world would it matter to you if some women, having difficult pregnancies, were given a little extra help in coping with their situation, particularly when it just might mean the difference between a healthy birth and a premature one?
Sorry for my anger, but your position on this is almost incomprehensible to me.
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This is much ado about nothing.
The LAST thing the typical expectant mother in America needs is government intervention reinforcing the myth that a normal pregnancy makes you fragile and helpless. Most pregnant women do not get nearly enough exercise during pregnancy. The later in pregnancy they get, the more they need. They should actually be doing A LOT of walking and moving around through out labor and up to the moment of delivery.
I've lived in the Phoenix area all my life (35 years.) I've been pregnant twice and NEVER ONCE required special parking privileges. When I went home visiting the farm I grew up on, a childhood friend whose horses my parents boarded was 6 months pregnant carrying a 50 lb. bag of feed on one shoulder as she walked the 1/4 mile from her house to mom's. It was good to be home.
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Born in the land of raisins.
I do miss the nice weather.
Here, we have four seasons:
Almost Winter.
Winter.
Still Winter.
Construction.
Not nearly as exciting as the fires, floods, earthquakes & riot seasons I remember in California.
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... for Arizona to annex San Diego and Imperial counties first. Because, well, even if San Diego weren't a great place, and even if there weren't a lot of Marines at Pendelton (and a lot of sailors at various points in the county), I live here :).
Heck, if you're going to hate California for being left-wing Democratic, Imperial is as Democratic as they come.
Most of the state is worth saving. It's just LA county and the counties ringing the bay that make it look bad.
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then where do the truely disabled people park?
And since when did being pregnant become disabled?
I thought walking was good for healthy pregnant women.
How selfish can a person get.
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The only question is, do we want to use it to help pregnant women, or go along with NOW's anti-baby agenda?
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I don't see that as a potential issue.
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I am in the middle of remodeling a building for my new business, and the allocation for disability was frustrating. Especially given that I have to drive by rows of them, all empty, any time I go anywhere. Luckily I was finally able to get a fairly agreeable parking situation set up.
perhaps where I live there are more elderly drivers. The disabled parking spots are nearly always full.
Our local Costco must have 50 disabled spots and they are always taken.
My older sister has a permit and when I'm with her we often have to drive around the lot before a spot opens up.
Not once, and I live in a large metro area (Dallas).
And yes, I'd agree no doubt it's a question of the local demographics, retirement areas. What I've seen in my entire adult life is probably 2% usage. A whooooooooooole lot of the most prime spots - dead empty - at every retail establishment, office building, gun shop, running shop, diving shop, bait shop, liquor store, bank, whorehouse, pool hall, and workout facility around.
And it's true, I don't hang out at places like Costco or Walmart or other large retail and grocery stores. Perhaps that's a different story.
But in general, every edict handed down by the government forcing businesses to change behavior has a 99% chance of being a bad idea.
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has a complication that makes walking distances of more than 300ft they will be qualified for a temporary disabled parking permit for up to 6 months. (In Oregon)
I don't see the benefit of offering ALL pregnant women disabled parking permits . To begin with it often seems there are not enough disabled spaces as is and adding all these expecting women might cause shortages for many of the elderly who really need them.
And really, I don't like the idea of pregnancy being linked with the word 'disabled'.
I know many have complicated pregnancies-and in most cases, they would qualify because of that, but the majority of pregnancies are not complicated.
In general, that's what it amounts to in every sense.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
And Don't you dare question their patriotism.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
"Needing eight votes for passage, AB 1940 received one yes vote and one no vote. Twelve committee members took no position."
And guess who was the only person to vote yes:
"Assemblywoman Cathleen Galgiani, D-Stockton, cast the only yes vote"
Try reading the actual article before making ignorant comments.
Also, as far as Pregnant mothers who need Parking passes: They can already receive them.
"The Department of Motor Vehicles said pregnant women already can obtain disabled placards if their doctors diagnose major mobility problems."
Your post just proves you to be socially inept. It does nothing to disprove that Democrats hate motherhood.
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"Your post just proves you to be socially inept."
How so?
"It does nothing to disprove that Democrats hate motherhood."
Just as I would say your post does nothing to prove that Democrats hate motherhood.
I was merely pointing out that pregnant women who actually need tags can get them. I agree that not voting is the same as voting against, but both parties did this.
Joliphont's post was "leave it to the democrats to vote against Mom."
I'd say "The actual article" disproves that by stating the facts. All members of the committee both Democrats and REPUBLICANS chose not to vote. And on top of that, the only "yes" vote came from a democrat.
Am I still not making sense?
Would you give her your seat ?
Not voting for this bill is much like sitting there and looking the other way.
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your question should be if you saw a woman standing on a bus.... and the answer is yes, I would think a man would give up his seat.
Personally, I think states have a big enough problem as it is with 'temp' permits. Create another group that wants special treatment...for nine months!...nope...I think not.
As beautiful as ladies are when they are prego, they can walk.
After all, we've made it this long, huh?..
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Morally Compromised
The permits are abused more than appropriately used. But given that they are with us. Given that the ADDA isn't going away ever. We might as well see that classes of people that can legitimately benefit do.
I am also not above characterizing the Dems as voting against MOM either.
*I am not against the handicapped. But any business** that doesn't cater to its customers loses them and goes out of business.
**Possible exception: The Phone company.
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ladies in my office that have them...I think for being overweight...front row, right by the door.
Kinda weird though, seeing them come back from Chipolte with a bag full of lunch, parking in a handicap spot..
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Morally Compromised
But if we're going to have them, I think we should be civilized enough to let pregnant women use them.
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*If* we're going to have them anyway, then pregnant women can already use them - they simply need to follow the same procedure as any other citizen who wants to claim a pressing need for having that privilege. I'm not aware of any legislation that prohibits all pregnant women from applying for the necessary placard and documentation for such spots, are you? So, there's really no additional legislation and certainly no wasted time/money required by this.
Using the government to enforce your own particular sense of what constitutes "kindness" or "charity" or "chivalry" is the province of liberals. Beware.
A more proper analogy in this case is:
Voting for this bill is much like directing someone else to force you to give up your seat. It turns what should be a free choice by yourself (i.e. business owners) into an obligation enforced through punishment. Oh, and by the way, they're using your money to pay for the guy enforcing your new obligation.
Not voting for it is more like saying, it is up to the seat holder to decide what to do with their seat. And that we have more important things to do than trying to mandate good will.
"You haven't lived my life with two older children, one of them handicapped."
If your child is handicapped, don't you already have a placard? That's exactly who is meant to have them. That's exactly who I am arguing SHOULD have them.
You were in support of this proposal. This proposal states ALL pregnant women should be able to park in the handicap places. Depending on the number of pregnant women at your place of employment, that could DECREASE the number of parking places available to you and other handicapped people.
Clearly, the examples you are citing are NOT cases of normal pregnancies. No one is questioning an actual doctor recommended situation-that's the whole point of parking placards-you need a MEDICALLY DIAGNOSED DISABILITY to get them. When there is a REAL diagnosable, medically justified, medically prescribed standard, no one is upset about it. If you doctor actually did this and told you being out of bed was fine, then no one can fault you for that. That is NOT was this proposal is about.
A situation where someone with a high risk pregnancy has to walk a mile from the only parking available is extremely unusual. What percentage of pregnant women are doing this? You are citing rare exceptions, but the assemblyman is making a general rule. You are basically arguing:
I had a risky pregnancy requiring and additional 2 mile daily walk that my doctor legitimately determined medically qualified me for a handicap placard, therefore all pregnant women (about 4 million every year) should be allowed a handicap placard.
You are mixing 2 VERY different situations. Besides, that's not at all what this assemblyman in proposing.
Miscarriages are not caused by walking long distances. The baby usually dies weeks and sometimes months before labor begins. They happen due to genetic disorders, blood disorders, placental attachment problems, hormonal abnormalities, etc. While it may get a quick easy emotional response from some by suggesting these lives are in peril if we don't back this assemblyman's proposal, is emotionally manipulative and factually wrong.
If this parking issue were actually contributing to the infant mortality/miscarriage rate, OBs would be pressing for this type of legislation nationwide. They're not. They just handle it on a case by case basis which is how all handicap placards have always been handled. The current system is working just fine. It seems to have worked for you. There is no need to change it.
I know this is off topic, but this reminds me of a situation that happened within my family.
A relative of mine got pregnant, her boyfriend was very casual about her having an abortion. In fact, he expected it, and even assured my relative that it would be okay, his mother would pay for it. (I kid you not.) ...Apparently, she had done it before.
Anyway, this guy was/is a die-hard liberal- a woman's right to choose, and all that- but once my relative told him she was keeping the baby, he went on to call her every name in the book, insulted her intelligence, and told her never to contact him again.
Funny. I have often experienced that those who claim to be for choice really aren't, unless your choice is theirs.
This doesn't have much to do with your post, but I felt like sharing.
That's the kind of guy I am.
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