Okie Attorney General Bans Christmas. Seriously.

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Drew Edmondson is the out of control Oklahoma Attorney General. Recently he rounded up conservative activists and threw them in jail for circulating petitions to get conservatives on the ballot.

Now, however, Drew Edmondson has done something even nuttier. He has issued an advisory opinion from the Attorney General's Office directing universities in Oklahoma to refrain from using the word "Christmas."

Mark Tapscott with the Washington Examiner has the details. Mark notes, "Edmondson's issued an advisory opinion to officials at Southwestern Oklahoma State University in Weatherford advising them that the word "Christmas" should not be spoken by any employee of the state school, not written in any official holiday decorations."

Attorney General Edmondson can be reached at 405-521-3921. Call and wish him a Merry Christmas and ask why he banned the word.

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Weatherford is just up the road a spell from Altus. And Altus has got to be on of the most "Christmas-ee" places we have ever lived. Lights in the park, Christian based school Christmas programs, etc.....
This guy does not know his audience very well.

"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." ~Professor Dumbledore

Please note this incident for future reference. I believe you were of the opinion that the 'war on Christmas' might not actually exist, or might be much overhyped, and we were (and still are) tabling that for possible future discussion.

But just keep this one in mind when we do. And it should go without saying which major political party this little crap-weasel belongs to. And also for future reference, I'm going to be checking to see where the ACLU stands on this one, since they are the strong defender of all freedom of speech for everybody but Christians in America.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

For what it's worth, this is goofy for sure. But it's receiving the negative attention it deserves and I'm pretty sure that christmas is going to survive.


Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

that this little America-hating, Constitution-hating religious bigot Democrat (redundancies EVERYWHERE today) Edmondson is what Crash Davis called the umpire (see Bull Durham), and he can basically lick my cat's ###-$$$$.

What a vile thing. What a sorry excuse for a public servant, a guardian of the rule of law, and fundamentally an idiot.

Fortunately I'm feeling charitable, this being the season of peace on earth, and good tidings to men.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Hmmm. I called and asked the lady why he banned Christmas.
Conversation went something like:

AGSecretary (AGS): "Oh, I don't think he banned Christmas." Touche.
DK: "Then why ban using the word Christmas?"
AGS: (stutter)
DK: "According to the details I have..."
AGS: (cuts me off) "DETAILS?? You have details? You're going to need to speak to our public relations department." (transfers call)

Apparently, the fact I was mildly informed and had "details" made her a bit uncomfortable. As expected, the PR people didn't pick up the phone.

Future callers, please be advised that bringing up details will abruptly end the call.

And statesmen at her council met
Who knew the seasons when to take
Occasion by the hand, and make
The bounds of freedom wider yet
- Tennyson, _To the Queen_

What next??? This is absolutely disgusting!

Mom -- NOW (NAG, as Rush calls them) has been attacking traditional homes and moms who don't want to run for president for at least a generation now.

Apple Pie -- the ambulance-chasing lawyers have gobbled up Big Smoke, Big Hot Coffee, and Big Drug. I hear their sights are set on Big Fat -- all hamburgers, fried foods, donuts, Twinkies, and yes, apple pies.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

A sloce of carrot, a pinch of Splenda will have to do.

I am reconsidering my objection to calling Huck names - he could be a food fascist!

That Mom Nazi!

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

Won't be long before they find out that stuff's toxic too.

Give me pure cane sugar. Olive oil. Real butter. Everything in moderation. That's the ticket.


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The attorney general's office is now greeting callers with a hearty and pleasant Merry Christmas. Whether the story was true or not the error of their way was quickly understand. That was great to hear.

Scott M

1) First, Paul Jacob wasn't trying to get conservatives on the ballot, he was circulating petitions for a tax limiting initiative. Free Paul Jacob! (Last I heard, the charges had been dropped but were expected to be refiled. Any pressure on the AG to free Paul is still useful. By just not refiling the charges, the situation can go away relatively quietly. In the past, screwing with Paul Jacobs has been a bad idea. After they put him in jail for not registering for the draft (to show Carter's support for the Taliban) he headed the term limits movement that got rid of a bunch of incumbents.
2) It's not that they can't mention Christmas, it's that they can't do so on the job. Key distinction. Red-staters shouldn't want the government getting into the endorsement of religion business, whether Satanism or Santaism.
Christians especially should oppose having their holidays coopted by government officals.
Arbitrary Aardvark, gtbear gmail.

That the establishment of an official state religion was so easy?
Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

The AG, acting in his capacity as the state's top law enforcement officer, INSTRUCTED the schools to REFRAIN from using the word "Christmas".

Instructing the schools to by all means use the word "Christmas", one might effectively argue that this was the state establishing religion.

But here, the stupid jerk (yes, I have a bug up my rear about this war against Christmas, especially in my home state, thanks for noticing) has ordered people to refrain from UTTERING THE WORD "Christmas" while on the job.

So, in your mind, instructing American citizens to not utter a word that signifies Christianity, that's no censorship? That's not a de facto "freedom of religion" and/or "freedom of speech" violation?

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

They are denying it... They even said "the AG wishes everyone a Merry Christmas." But I've learned not to trust Democrat-speak.

Whenever a clerk gives me the bland, token "happy holidays" rubbish, I always respond with "Merry Christmas." They usually look stunned.

At our morning huddle today, our store manager began his comments with a hearty "Happy Holidays!" He was promptly reciprocated by five or six of the employees with "Merry Christmas!"

Happy Winter Solstice.

Anyone here certain the historical Jesus of Nazareth was born on 25 December?

You are the second person to make this mistake. The winter solstice is on the 22nd this year. And no. It's pretty widely held that Christmas is borrowed from Paganism. It was done so by the church to make it easier for the massive pagan population in medievil Europe so that they could transition to a new religion with little change in celebrations. Even many Catholic scholars recognize that the birth of Jesus of Nazareth was in the late spring.

I have a hot tip that Jesus was born in a particular 2 hour window in a certain day of September. But exactly *when* isn't important here. This is more of an issue of honoring a king and choosing not to.

According to official calendars, Pres. Washington and Lincoln were born on a Monday. Every year. And Columbus discovered "the new world" on a Monday, too. Yet the events are honored (or dishonored, per your political persuasion) on the "now official" dates.

Actually, by *not* honoring the event when the rest of their jurisdiction is doing so, is declaring a war against the people of their jursidiction. Think it over a bit and see if you don't agree here.
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Are you suggesting that not celebrating christmas (or president's day) is a declaration of war agaisnt the U.S.?

I'm saying that when the people you represent are choosing to honor and celebrate certain events, and these events are honored by an overwhelming majority of the people you represent, and you decide to do just-the-opposite, then you are saying that you stating your opposition to that event.

If you are pre-conversion Scrooge (Bah! Humbug!) then you are a disagreeable old man. If you are a governing authority, you are stating your positional superiority through your power to sanction. In short, if you don't "go with the flow" of your constituents you are influencing them to change. You are at war with their culture.

So, the government represents its people and their culture or it tries to change or suppress its culture. In this suppression it also declares war on what they care about.
Never buy a dog and bark for yourself: 'Slippery' Jim DiGriz

Are you saying that an elected member of govenrment who doesn't celebrate Christmas has declared war on the people or any citizen?

Though in either case you are creating a big problem. As a Jew, I will not celebrate or even acknowledge christmas in any way - I don't see it as a day deserving of honor - if I were an elected official (and there are plenty of us who are) would I be declaring war on my constituients for not honoring a holiday of a religion I think is false?

with a hearty 'Merry Christmas' this time of year. And I reciprocate with 'Happy Hannukah' without reservation.

I know of only one Jew who is as stridently anti-Christmas as you are---and he was Catholic before his rebellion/conversion.

Good Grief. Just try to remember the words of Rodney King during this season.

in a very wealthy Bay Area suburb. We were Southern Baptist at the time. Not once did anyone there give us any grief about Christmas or act antagonistic about it. I think the vast majority of Jews have learned to live with Christian holidays; we were always fascinated to learn about and participate in (as much as Gentiles could...) the Jewish celebrations with our JCC friends.

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One, Hanukah is over; while I appreciatre the well wishes.

Two, I'm not anti-Chrismas, I am anti the insuation that not honoring Christmas is a declaraion of war with the American people.

Third, I'm all for getting along - and that should include me not being intimidated (or accused of treason) for not thinking the fake birthday of an ordinary man is all that special.

Finally, I use only Happy Holidays for two primary reasons - one is I don't neccesarily know what the person I'm speaking to celebrates and the other is I don't much care for using the word 'christ' in a celebratory sense because I see belief in a 'christ' as heretical and idolatrous.

Actually, the early church co-opted Roman holiday of Saturnalia as a way to get people to start celebrating Christ's birth and Christianize what was a debacherous, pagan affair that folks were rather fond of. Since Christ's actual birthday (likely in early spring, since shepherds only need to watch their flocks at night when there are young lambs) is unknown, any day is as good as another.

What we are seeing today is an attempt at the reverse: de-Christianize Christmas and replace it with a secular, materialistic holiday based on gift-giving and good cheer (much like Saturnalia of old). You'll understand if we Christians aren't quite so ready to roll over and die yet as the Romans were 1600 years ago.

This has no partisan spin, but is ludicrous, too.

I called Edmondson's office and his secretary answered, "Merry Christmas, Attorney General's office." Then she put me through to his answering machine where I wished him a Merry Christmas.

"Republicans think every day is the 4th of July, but the democrats think every day is April 15th." -Ronald Reagan

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Ultimately, what we have is the AG's spokesperson saying "no we didn't, and we're looking to see if any assistant AG's did".

It's a good heads-up, and ultimately I bet we'll know what happened, and by who. If all the colleges ACTUALLY got memos, somebody will be posting photocopies, and we'll also know who sent them. If nobody did, that'll come to light as well.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

This locks up Oklahoma as a solid Red State for another twenty years. Thanks wacko. I love when "conservative" Democrats learn what the Democratic party really represents.

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