Breyer Unplugged
There’s a Reason Why They Call it the Roberts Court
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Last week, Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member, Sen. Arlen Specter, made news by announcing his plans to review the confirmation hearing testimony of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. Specter said the review was necessary to determine whether the Justices’ rulings in recent controversial cases were consistent with promises the then nominees made to win confirmation. While the prospect of Sen. Specter ruling on the validity of any jurist’s opinions is disturbing, even more disturbing is how the idea came to him. It was suggested by a sitting Supreme Court Justice, Steven Breyer.
At issue is the legal doctrine of stare decisis. Stare decisis says that judges should follow the precedent of previous courts so as to promote stability in the law. Roberts and Alito both pledged fealty to stare decisis as an important legal principle, but neither one expressly pledged to be bound by it, nor should they have. Apparently, Breyer has been coming in on the short side of one too many 5-4 decisions, and is wishing for the good old days when Sandra Day O’Connor could be counted on to move his opinions into the majority. That he should make a point of tattling on his colleagues to Sen. Specter shows the shocking contempt he has not only for them, but for the Supreme Court itself.
Read on…
Breyer is a standard issue liberal judicial activist. He sees adjudicating cases as a means to bring about his desired results as much if not more than an opportunity to uphold the law. He regards a decision as being vindicated if it makes him feel better. He would have no qualms with going against stare decisis if doing so would allow him and his cohort of like minded justices to advance some liberal policy preference.
But more than that, the irony of this particular justice taking issue with the opinions of his peers is just too rich. That is because Justice Breyer is perhaps most famous for his recent endorsement of looking to foreign law to help decide American cases. The idea that a justice who admits relying in whole or in part on the opinions of foreigners could be critical of a colleague for ignoring precedent is so arrogant and contemptuous as to defy description.
At a discussion sponsored by the U.S. Association of Constitutional Law in January 2005, Justice Breyer had the following to say on how law is formulated and on using foreign law as a source in American cases.
I usually think, and I think Justice Scalia does too, that in the United States…law is not really handed down from on high, even from the Supreme Court. Rather, it emerges. And we're part of it, the clerks are part of it, but only part. And what really survives every time is the result, I tend to think of a conversation. I think that's the right word, conversation among judges, among professors, among law students, among members of the bar, because you need people to put things together, you need people to decide cases, you need people to tell you how it works out in practice. And out of this giant, messy, unbelievably messy conversation emerges law. And that means you have to have the conversation. And then I think we participate it, even at a general level, not just when we're deciding cases. […]
[F]irst, of course, foreign law doesn't bind us, constitutional law. Of course not. But these are human beings,…called judges, who have problems that often, more and more, are similar to our own. They're dealing with certain texts, texts that more and more protect basic human rights. Their societies more and more have become democratic, and they're faced not with things that should be obvious--should we stop torture or whatever--they're faced with some of the really difficult ones where there's a lot to be said on both sides. Hard to decide.
If here I have a human being called a judge in a different country dealing with a similar problem, why don't I read what he says if it's similar enough? Maybe I'll learn something.
Notice Justice Breyer’s focus on the result, “What really survives every time is the result…” This is the window into his way of thinking about his responsibilities as a judge. Justice Breyer believes his role to be constructing lasting results that satisfy the liberal worldview. In that view some things are obvious, like ending torture, never mind the arguments for or against, just focus on the result.
What part do the people, or for that matter precedents, play in the formulation of law? Not much, according to Justice Breyer. The law is formulated by, “conversation[s] among judges, among professors, among law students, among members of the bar…,” certainly not by any dirty process involving the people and their representatives. Justice Breyer must have gotten this impression of how law is derived by reading foreign sources, because he surely didn’t find that in the Constitution. In the United States, law comes from the people, not from the elite, not from government, not especially from judges. Justice Breyer would do well to reacquaint himself with that minor annoyance.
Luckily for the attendees at that discussion, Justice Antonin Scalia was also on hand and primed to administer a small dose of humility and give a gentle lecture to his colleague about the proper role of judges and foreign law in American courts.
I don't know what it means to express confidence that judges will do what they ought to do, after having read the foreign law. My problem is I don't know what they ought to do. What is it that they ought to do? You have to ask yourselves, Why is it that foreign law would be relevant to what an American judge does when he interprets -- interprets, not writes -- I mean, the Founders used a lot of foreign law. If you read the Federalist Papers, it's full of discussions of the Swiss system, German system. It's full of that. It is very useful in devising a constitution. But why is it useful in interpreting one? […]
Still in all what you're looking for as a judge using that theory is what? The standards of decency of American society -- not the standards of decency of the world, not the standards of decency of other countries that don't have our background, that don't have our culture, that don't have our moral views. Of what conceivable value as authoritative would foreign law be? Now, you can cite foreign law to show, as Justice Breyer gave an example, to show that if the Court adopts this particular view, the sky will not fall. “You know, if we got much more latitudinarian about our approach to the Establishment Clause, things won't be so bad. France, which is probably the strictest in Europe, still has a good deal of religious freedom and no establishment.” Okay? It's useful for that.
But if you're looking for the evolving standards of decency of American society, why would you look to France? The only way in which it makes sense is if you have a third approach to the interpretation of the Constitution, and that is I am not looking for the evolving standards of decency of American society; I'm looking for what is the best answer in my mind as an intelligent judge. And for that purpose I look to other intelligent people, and I talk sometimes about conversations with judges and lawyers and law students. Do you think you're representative of American society? Do you not realize you are a small cream at the top, and that your views on innumerable things are not the views of America at large? And doesn't it seem somewhat arrogant for you to say, I can make up what the moral values of America should be on all sorts of issues, such as penology, the death penalty, abortion, whatever? That's the only context in which the use of foreign law makes sense, because what we're doing is not looking to history, as I do, not looking to the mores of contemporary American society, which we did for a while…I suggest that change is based not upon the theory that you're looking for what the moral perceptions of America is, but that you're looking for moral perceptions of the justices. And I frankly don't want to undertake that responsibility. I don't want to do it with foreign law, and I don't want to do it without foreign law.
That’s a justice who respects his position and the court on which he sits, Justice Breyer. Listen to him.
Of course, Justice Breyer thinks he’s doing the Supreme Court a favor by flying off to the Aspen Ideas Festival and having one of his precious conversations about what the law ought to be with Sen. Specter. In reality, however, all he is doing is contributing to the growing skepticism with which the public views the actions of the Court. Justice Breyer is seeking to get his colleagues in political trouble for legal decisions they have rendered, and that evidences a troubling regard for political philosophy on his part. His concern for the result of a decision has overtaken his desire to see the law applied as it is, not as he thinks it ought to be.
Like every other Supreme Court Justice, Justice Breyer has the right to make his views on political questions known. But just like every other citizen of this country, his opportunity to do so comes once every two years in the Federal system, and is between no one but him and the little lever in his voting booth. That is where a justice’s political philosophy should be confined. It has no place on the bench, or in an opinion of the Court, or in a conversation with a Senator about the opinions of the Court.
In his insistence on using foreign law to form his opinions and in his willingness to participate in the political games of those seeking to advance an agenda, Justice Breyer shows nothing but contempt for the law, his colleagues, his role as a justice, and the Supreme Court itself. Perhaps when the justice decides to pick up the Constitution sometime, he should read these clauses first, and ponder hard whether his recent actions fit their meaning:
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour […]The House of Representatives [read the people] shall…have the sole power of impeachment.
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Until Lawrence v. Texas, stare decisis gave states the right to define sexual criminality vis a vis homosexuality. But suddenly stare decisis vanished. Breyer voted with the majority. He's not one to let stare decisis slow him down.
Not to mention, Breyer was the swing vote in Kelo, which found a brand new right for governments to steal property and give it to someone else to make a profit from. Stare decisis on property rights? Harrumph. Begone, foul spirit (of stare decisis).
And then there is Breyer's vote to remove the 10 Commandments from KY courthouses. Apparently there was no prior stare decisis issue, because, you know, KY didn't even know there were 10 Commandments until these showed up. I think KY thought there were only 8, or something like that. But no, Breyer says, it's all about context. Context, you know, as long as it is not a religious context. Which stare decisis did not recognize until 1963. Since 1963, stare decisis is, like, all over this thing.
Someone should ask Specter to look into that.
Breyer is quite a piece of work, but this should not surprise. When libs throw out precedent in a ruling, it's "moving the country foward in the common good." When conservatives ignore bad precedent, it's "moving the country backwards" (followed by cries of racist, sexist, homophobes).
Last fall I took a college course on Constitutional Law and we used a text book written by a lib. prof. It's hilarious how he constantly praises liberal Warren Court rulings which often times abandon stare decisis, but is critical of conservative decisions by Scalia, Rehnquist, et. al that abandon precedent. To top it off, this author lists Ginsberg and Breyer as moderates! Thankfully our instructor was a conservative former criminal court judge who frequently ridiculed the liberal editorializing in the text book.
wow, good thing your professor saved you from repeated exposure to different ideas in that nasty lefty book! sounds like you're getting exactly what you paid for at Bob Roberts! Remember, books are for stuck up liberals.
Somebody needs a writing assignment.
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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.
...it's Oral Roberts University. Bob Roberts is a movie* about the monster under Tim Robbin's bed. Pity that you mucked that one up right out of the gate, huh?
Bye...
Moe
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
*A well-made one, actually - but fatally hampered by Robbin's inability to let go of his fears. Alas.
Bob Roberts University and Oral Jones University.
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they are going no where and this should set up the court for some very interesting battles that the left shall lose.
It seems to me that if Sen. Spectre believes that there should be a way to look at Sup. Ct. nominees testimony after the fact of their confirmation, perhaps we, the people, should have a way to look at the campaign promises (testimony) of candidates, after the fact of their election.
Just sayin.
JP
Specter needs to go. When is he up for re-election?
It's unclear if he'll run, although he hasn't said he won't. He's had two major medical issues, cancer and a brain tumor.
Both Breyer and Specter are bitter backstabbers who are irked that they're in minorities. Specter has whined about how he's not Chair of Judiciary. (Never mentions how little he did for Santorum here in PA, even though Santorum went to bat for him over Toomey.) Specter gets facetime from the media and Dems when he sides with the Dems. Maybe Specter's auditoning for the new GOP "maverick," now that McCain needs to re-connect with the base he dissed.
Breyer, as noted above, longs for the good old days when he could persuade O'Connor to vote with his faction. Not only are Roberts and Alito immune to Breyer's legal reasoning (and I use that term loosely), but they are also apparently having some influence on Kennedy, and pulling him back towards a more conservaive approach. If a Dem had been elected in 2000 or 2004, Breyer might have had a chance to move up to CJ. So maybe he sees Roberts sitting in a seat that's rightly his.
Mr. Breyer has always been a pompous elitist. I remember back in the early 1990's when a taxpayer group was questioning the cost of a new circuit courthouse in the 2nd circuit. As the Chief Judge, Breyer was outraged that some commoner group would question all the marble and all the unfreaking believable palatial trimmings of his court!
The fact that he is this classless is not surprising.
Specter's term is up on 1/3/11.
Are the most important in the Constitution.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
He had three chances:
- He could have decided not to talk to Breyer
- He could have told him the conversation was inappropriate, that prospective Justices should not have to pander to the Senate (as I am sure I heard him say during the confirmation hearings) or
- He could have kept his mouth shut.
But I guess that's only two, since this is Arlen ("Why yes, it really is all about me") Specter.
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What Breyer said is that what really survives is the result of a conversation, not that all that matters is the result. The spin facilitated by the ellipses in Mark 1's "quote" is a dishonest rendering of a banal observation.
Which is a shame, since one needn't manufacture "admissions" to condemn Breyer's jurisprudence, and if he in fact has been egging Specter on in his quixotic, what happened to stare decisis pursuit he deserves the opprobrium Mark 1 levels at him.
Of course, a slavish obeisance to stare decisis would have Plessy v Ferguson the law of the land. The correct view is that an erroneous constitutional construction can never acquire legitimacy by mere time passage; the justices have no constitutional power to amend the Constitution. Stare decisis should be honored, if at all, only with respect to statutory interpretations.
Stare decisis places the burden of proof on those who wish to have a different law.
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Sorry about that.
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They're fixed now. Read the transcript. See what comes after the ellipses and then tell me if I misrepresented what the Justice said.
Or just read this part again:
...you need people to decide cases, you need people to tell you how it works out in practice...
Now, do you honestly believe that Justice Breyer would advocate a decision on the law that didn't "work out in practice" in the way he thought it should?
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Your "quote" was: "What really survives every time is the result..." You left out the rest of Breyer's sentence, "I tend to think of as a conversation." You turned a banal statement about the process of decision-making through the solicitation of many views into what you characterized as an admission ("Notice Justice Breyer's focus on the result,") which it isn't. Breyer may indeed seek "lasting results that satisfy the liberal worldview," but he wasn't confirming that here. Your selective pruning is unfair, and unnecessary.
Nor do I read anything portentious into his statement that "you need people to tell you how it works out in practice." Of course you do, whatever "it" is. Who wouldn't want to know how things work in practice? Hell, one of my biggest faults with liberals is their fondness for a priori reasoning and indifference to how their theories work out in practice.
Breyer's decisions are easy enough to critique without flyspecking his offhand comments for suspect allusions.
Your "quote" was: "What really survives every time is the result..." You left out the rest of Breyer's sentence, "I tend to think of as a conversation."
I provided the entire quote in the blockquoted text and provided a link to the transcript of the discussion in the piece. You did read that right? So, no attempt to hide or shade the justice's words here. If you are taking issue with the interpretation of the justice's words I engaged in, fine. Just so long as you are willing to accept that my characterization of his judicial philosophy is accurate, as you have.
Nor do I read anything portentious into his statement that "you need people to tell you how it works out in practice."
May I humbly suggest that this isn't a judge's job and any judge who unduely occupies himself with how things (rulings) will work "in practice" isn't doing his job properly. It is for the judge to apply the law and allow the policy makers to make it work in practice.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
I still want to know where Sandra Day O'Connor was in all this. She has spoken time and time again about how Congress has threatened the independence of the judiciary. She complained that a few members proposed a law to limit the court's jurisdiction or to prohibit its use of foreign law. She even complained about proposed state ballot initiatives that would have held state judges accountable (which many already are in states where judges are elected). She expresses concern that it will interfere with judges' ability to make rulings without fear of legislative consequences. Why isn't she addressing this issue?
I only hope this does not affect Alito or Roberts in any future ruling. Will they cave the way Kennedy and Souter did?
With regard to the job of courts, stare decisis belongs in the same place as international law. It is certainly no more binding. Judges need to stop "searching for answers." If the solution isn't in the Constitution or statute, it goes to the legislature to deal with. It's that simple. However, I guess they get pretty bored with their miniscule caseloads.
"Precedent" should never be set in the first place for following in the second. To do so is simply a nicer-sounding way of saying "judge-made law." Since judges cannot make law under the Constitution, stare decisis is an inherently unconstitutional principle. Simply put, setting precedent = making law; following precedent = not following Constitution or law. Either way, it's not constitutional.
In any case, weren't Roberts and Alito were quite faithful to the concept? Breyer just had a different view on what constituted "overruling." Many people, including experts in the law, often disagree on whether a case had been "overruled." The standard is a lot lower for some than for others.
She's just keeping the tradition she set to go which ever way the winds blows. You expect consistency from Sandra Day O'Connor????
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They have well thought out judicial philosophies. Bush chose with care.
O'Connor never really had a judicial philosophy. I recall seeing an interview with her just before she retired. She said she just decided cases on the facts in front of her, and didn't consider any over-arching principles. No wonder we got a patchwork of haphazard, hair-splitting rulings from her.
That statement shows she never understood her job. The Supreme Court does set forth the over-arching principles/interpretations that all the lower courts must apply.
She was approaching her job like a trial judge, or even an intermediate appellate judge. Intermediate appeals courts mostly correct the lower courts' mistakes by looking at how the trial judges applied the law to the facts. The highest courts set out the principles of consitutional interpretation.
O'Connor wrote a book about her experiences living on a ranch in Arizona. She said there was often a lot of work to do, but she didn't always have the right tools on hand to do it. She often tried to find creative new ways to use the things she could find to do the job.
It seems she approached her job at the Supreme Court in much the same way.

How many special prosecutors would it take the Dems to get to the bottom of this if the theologies were reversed?