News Passages That Set The Netroots' Teeth On Edge
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[UPDATE]: Pejman is more of a gentleman than I am, clearly. Let us spell this out for our lurking guests (and put it back on top, for good measure): while it is still a question whether a Republican or Clinton will win the 2008 election, I can tell you who will not lose it: the neocons.
Yes, that's right: the antiwar movement would have been better off spending the six years fighting us on this issue on any other issue for all the success that it's had. They spent money that most of them couldn't afford to spend for nothing. They spent time for nothing. They wrecked friendships, relationships, and careers for nothing. And no-one will really bother to remember why they did all these things.
Just thought that I'd mention that. - Moe Lane
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But Edwards, Clinton and Obama could not pledge to bring all U.S. troops out of Iraq by the end of their prospective first term in 2013.
"I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Obama.
--Source. One does wonder whether, eventually, the donor lists dry up and the phone banks go understaffed.
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in which year President Clinton brought all our troops back from the Balkans after their mission was accomplished.
Not meaning to highjack your thread, but what did you think of this passage in the link you cited?
With the Democratic left-wing demanding a hasty U.S. timetable out of Iraq, Edwards criticized the New York senator for not ruling out that U.S. troops might engage in some combat missions in Iraq if she were to win the 2008 election.
"To me that's a continuation of the war," Edwards said. "Combat missions mean that the war is continuing. I believe the war needs to be brought to an end."
This is yet another example of the left wanting it both ways. Recall how Kerry was always griping that we needed to work with other countries more rather than going it alone, but that at Tora Bora we needed to tell all these incompetent other countries to get out of our way since only we could do the job? More double-speak here - let's examine what Edwards is saying. If he were President and was withdrawing our troops post haste, and then got solid intel that Osama bin Laden was located in a particular house in Iraq, what would he do? According to his position here he would let the Iraqis know but not allow any American troops to engage in whatever operation the Iraqis came up with. Right? Of course no one would dare follow up to him with a question like that at a little thing like a Presidential debate.
on the seminal issue of our time that inspired my signature (which may or may not be attributable to Trotsky).
Our saying "the war" is over is like the target of a fatwa saying the fatwa is over. Those whom war has been declared on have 2 choices: fight back and try to win, or lose by default. They don't get to deny war. Furthermore, they don't get to claim that those who by word and deed declare war on them don't actually mean it.
This is why I say Edwards and the Left truly are idiots.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
...is what led him to read that wonderful book about two princes falling in love with each other to his children. It reminded him of the experience of standing in front of a mirror and gazing deeply into his own eyes, thinking (myopically), "Now THERE'S a handsome boy! I think I'm falling in love."
Where is the outrage over this in the blue-blogs? Where is Moveon.org? If they are truly principled anti-war activists (they're not) they should be supporting a third-party, maybe primaries against people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, or maybe supporting Ron Paul! Of course, as we saw in the Cindy Sheehan melodrama, these people have ZERO principles, they are nothing more than liberal Democrat party hacks. They will find some way to make apologies for people like Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. It was made plain and clear last night - those troops are NOT leaving Iraq even if by chance one of those Dems (God forbid) is elected president.
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Reality: Thompson/Romney Dream: Santorum/Watts.
Obama just came out with a plan that supposedly would bring all the troops home within a year and a half. Here is how I wrote about it...
http://proprietornation.blogspot.com/2007/09/barack-obamas-withdrawal-pl...
Then, I saw Hillary this weekend on FNS and she was quite confident in proclaiming that if the President doesn't bring the troops home she will. Why were they all so fickle suddenly in the debate. Politicians make promises they have no intention of keeping all the time. Why is this so different?
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