Open thread: Digging Gravel
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Unfortunately for the Democrats, Lyndon LaRouche is not running this time; in fact, he might be dead.
So what do you think of this Mike Gravel fellow? I'd like to see the Democrats nominate the most fun candidate possible.
Discuss this and other things in this, here open thread.
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The national candidates for President are:
Paul (R)
Gravel (D)
Some pacifist (L)
Some isolationlist (C)
Some communist (G)
Bloomberg (I)
Who do you vote for? I think it's Paul by a mile.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
Anyone that would deny me a good ol' American hamburger and trans-fat-laden fries meal can't be my president.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
And if the Libertarians actually ran a candidate against Paul, they would lose what vestiges of respect I had for them.
However, change Paul to Giuliani and I go Bloomberg.
Mike Gravel's Army of Tomorrow parody (Rush Limbaugh Show)
http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/New/t...
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
Bluey, I can't for the life of me understand why the guy is running. As far as I'm concerned he's got nothing to offer. Yes, he appears to have been a competent mayor of a very large city. But that hardly qualifies him to run the nation especially in these critical times.
But really what turns me off him is that he's a LIBERAL...
The Weekly Standard did an excellent piece on him recently on why he should not run. Basically they argued that he should not run because, like I said above, he's got nothing to offer...
If he does actually run, he could turn out to be a spoiler candidate more for the GOP than for the Dems...
narcissistic billionare NYC egomananiac + bored NYC based national media with nothing substantive to write about in August = purported Bloomberg campaign that will quickly dissapate post-labor day.
...with genuine frontrunners, I can't imagine a Republican that would be willing to vote for Mike Bloomberg, but not for Fred Thompson, or Mitt Romney, or Rudy Giuliani. I would understand if it was against Ron Paul. But I don't think Bloomberg steals any votes from Republicans like Fred, or Mitt, or Rudy. He'd be the alternative for Democrats who aren't ready for the hardcore socialist alternative, just yet.
Love him or hate him, you'll want to take a look at this clip from an interview with him:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mPDStnRCQ7c
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
is that at least he says what he really thinks, and he really seems to know that almost (and possibly all) of the other Democrats running for president are mealy mouthed politicians who will say anything to perpetuate the status quo in this country (See Clinton, Hillary for starters).
How about all of them struggling to find some way to explain why they oppose marriage rights for gays? I didn't see that debate, but read some quotes. So phony. They know it's a net loser in a general election, so they'll talk all day about equal rights for gays but then come up with some lame reason to oppose "marriage" or just talk around it.
It IS pathetic to watch them flail about on the question of gay marriage. This is a perfect example of how they talk about change but when they get the chance to make a stand they wont do anything remotely courageous, they just don't do it.
I just looked it up and actually the gay event wasn't a debate but rather a series of interviews by a panel, one candidate at a time. And I just watched Richardson and Obama pathetically trying to square their rhetoric with being against SSM. Richardson in particular was funny to watch. Unfortunately (for my amusement and to teach politicians a lesson on phoniness) there wasn't much follow-up to expose the absurdity of their responses.
I checked further and apparently there was more follow-up than is shown on the clips on the Logo site (network which aired the debate), and apparently the candidates were made to squirm and wallow in their bullsh*t, including Obama, Hillary, and (apparently the most pathetic performance) Richardson.
Maybe Gravel wants to be a little like Jesse Ventura - for some reason I watched the MN governor's debate, and noted that this guy was kicking the crap out of the other two. Turned out to be Jesse, but I didn't recognize him without his boa.
Jesse seemed to be free of any restrictions, and happy to say what he meant. Must be liberating not to have to do political calculations on the fly when debating.
or more correctly for the AFL-CIO assigned to Gravel, in 1980. I learned a lot about campaign logistics; how to keep Woman A away from Woman C and Husbands B & D can be a real challenge! Gravel was the last Democrat holding federal office in Alaska and was the darling of organized labor. He and Stevens were locked in mortal combat over the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA). Stevens had eyes only for being Minority Leader and was playing "get along, go along" and urging passage. Even though a Democrat, Gravel wanted to kill it and see what the World would look like without Jimmy Carter. Gravel was very much right on that one and Stevens was very vulnerable for a while over his support for legislation that has been very damaging to Alaska. Ironically, had Stevens not been so friendly with the Democrats, he might well have been Majority Leader in '81.
Gravel knocked off Ernest Gruening, an Alaskan "founding father," in '68 by mounting the first true modern media campaign in Alaska. He teamed up with Joe Napolitan, a Matt Reese protege, and put together one of the first, maybe the first, minimum winning coalition, media driven campaigns in the Country. Napolitan's "The Election Game and How to Win It," featuring Gravel's Senate run, was the bible for campaign organization for years thereafter.
Mike was very much the self-styled maverick and some may recall his reading Ellsburg's leaked Pentagon Papers from the floor of the Senate. That didn't go over real well in a state that was heavily military and which was turning more Republican by the day. It wasn't stuff like that or the womanizing that got him, though. Gravel voted to authorize selling the then new F-15 aircraft to Saudi Arabia and that got him cross-threaded with Barney Gottstein, a devout Jew and supporter of Israel, who just happened to be, his family still is, the Democrat bank in Alaska. Gottstein swore to destroy Gravel over it and backed Clark Gruening, Ernest's grandson, in the Democrat Primary. Mike's controversial actions and womanizing - and Gottstein's money, caught up with him and Gruening won the Primary, though only to be slaughtered by Murkowski in the General.
Whatever else he was and wasn't, the guy was as good as I've ever seen working a crowd, simply a consumate hand-on campaigner - and supremely able to get his "hands on" any attractive woman that might be in that crowd. I do treasure the nearly a year I spent doing it; it convinced me to get out of organized labor and out of politics for a while. Armed with the courage of my connections, I set out to make some money and haven't looked back. Gravel was the last Democrat I voted for for a federal office and the next to the last Democrat I voted for at all.
In Vino Veritas
In New Hampshire, in the Democrat Spin Room, I actually listened to Mike Gravel talk a blue streak to a reporter for about five minutes concerning how the Administration (with the aid and abettance of the Congress) was absolutely, positively, beyond the shadow of a doubt, planning to invade Iran to distract from their failure in Iraq.
Gravel gives a paragraph to it on his website, but the understatement he makes there is no reflection of how deeply he believes it. He was *convinced* that the fix to invade Iran is in, and that it's all part of Dick Cheney's master plan for world domination.
After listening to his darkly conspiratorial tirade for almost five minutes, I actually suggested, tongue-in-cheek, that he form a joint Presidential ticket with Ron Paul. That got a *big* laugh out of Gravel, who said to me: "Ron Paul is more of a libertarian, but we have some things in common," which and he didn't completely discount it as a possibility!
If you got Mike Gravel into a quiet corner and ask him his views on the war and all kinds of other things, in complete candor, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd hear all kinds of amazing theories come out of his mouth.
He is, as Achance notes above:
Whatever else he was and wasn't, the guy was as good as I've ever seen working a crowd, simply a consumate hand-on campaigner - and supremely able to get his "hands on" any attractive woman that might be in that crowd.
How true. Gravel is avuncular, engaging, gregarious, and he absolutely draws people into his spiel. It's a gift. He's a consummate used-car/timeshare salesman crossed with a lobbyist crossed with a conspiracy theorist.
Is it just me, or would it be a fact that adding either Gore or Kerry or both to the Dhimmi-crat field would actually inject a measure of gravitas that is sorely lacking?
So I propose the Gore/Kerry ticket. Here's why I think it's a GREAT idea:
(1)The current field's top 3 are, in order, (a) a screeching and profoundly unlikeable Marxist whose husband screwed the staff, committed perjury, and pardoned terrorists in his stint,(b) a Nanny-State far-leftist stuffed shirt, with a resume consisting of 2 yrs of barely-noticed service in the US Senate, and (c) an ambulance chasing pretty-boy whose only accomplishment (besides bleeding the medical profession for 60mil or so) was a 1-term stint in the US Senate, where he would not have won re-election.
(2)Whereas with Gore and Kerry you have (a) a man with actually a heavy (ha, ha!!!) resume as a USS Senator and 8-yr Veep, and while a dull man, he is the baton-twirler for the Golbal Warming Crusade, the most obscenely nutty thing to sweep the world since Piltdown Man. Follow him with (b) again, a serviceable resume as a Navy hero who fought in the Nam (and in Cambodia!!), winning several medals. He has decades of service as a backbencher in the Senate, having co-sponsored at least 2 bills. He almost certainly committed treason by its legal definition, and with phony Senate testimony, gave the press-left the ammo they needed to ignomiously end the Vietnam war and spur the genocides that left millions dead in the region.
(3) Imagine if you will, a stump speech where Kerry bats leadoff, and Gore hits cleanup. Riveting, yes? Well, it still beats Clinton-Obama for fun, IMHO.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
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Well, he does have the Gravel-tas the people want in their President, doesn't he?
Hooray!