The Call of Retreat Comes With Applause
House Democrats Applaud Resolution's Passage
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The House of Representatives just passed its non-binding resolution disapproving of the president's plan to send additional troops to Iraq. The vote was 246-182. Seventeen Republicans voted with the Democrats to sound the first strains of retreat from the Congressional bugle.
Democrats applauded the announcement of the vote tally. C-SPAN cut the sound right after Speaker Pelosi announced the totals. However, Democrat members were clearly visible in the front row, applauding the House of Representatives taking the initial step toward engineering the defeat of the United States in Iraq.
Disgusting.
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Republicans are in Caps, Dems italicized.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
Republicans voting YEA:
Castle
Coble
Davis, Tom
Duncan
English (PA)
Gilchrest
Inglis (SC)
Johnson (IL)
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kirk
LaTourette
Paul
Petri
Ramstad
Upton
Walsh (NY)
Democrats voting NAY:
Taylor
Marshall
You can see how badly the Republicans are getting rolled in Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan from this list -- right in the heart of the Midwest.
And I mean that in terms of the (R) Senators today, also. If we're going to mean anything in this coalition, the war is the singlemost important, #1 issue. All of them are on my Official, Ineradicable ***t list -- which numbers approximately 300 people in total.
Congratulations to all of the (R)s who voted YAY for making the list. It takes a lot to earn a place on it list, and you qualify.
I actually thought he would be reliable on the War and my vote against him was because of spending and health care reform. Today’s vote makes it even easier for me not to vote for him again in 2008 and hopefully to support a challenger against him in the primary.
I'm not a South Park Republican, I'm a King of the Hill libertarian.
Man, he was the first politician I ever heard speak in person. He visited my high school one year and I was so impressed by him. He had such strong conservative beliefs, and I voted for the man every chance I got.
I'm glad I'm not in his district anymore. He has completely disappointed me...
When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail. -- Abraham Maslow
[redacted] Democrats [redacted] Republican CrapWeasels™ [redacted].
[redacted]. [redacted]
See signature.
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Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged. — J. Michael Waller
Brought about by Democrats and 12 Republican's who show no courage or leadership. You have lost your nerve in conducting the peoples business and should be ashamed of yourself.
We shall never forget your failure of duty and betrayal.
YOU have stood with the following against our country and troops;
What we now have in Iraq is a defeat. We cannot achieve the illusions of the Bush administration that we will be able to create a stable unified liberal democracy in Iraq that is pro-American H. Waxman, D-Calif.
They won't be able to do the deployment. They won't have the equipment. They don't have the training and they won't be able to do the work," J. Murtha, D-PA.
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report
This is what we can count on from Democrats its all they have offered the country since Truman left office.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
GOP Defeatists:
Castle (DE)
Coble (NC)
Davis (VA)
Duncan (TN)
English (PA)
Gilchrist (MD)
Inglis (SC)
Johnson (IL)
Jones (NC)
Keller (FL)
Kirk (IL)
LaTourette (OH)
Paul (TX)
Petri (WI)
Ramstad (MN)
Upton (MI)
Walsh (NY)
Congrats to the 2 Democrats that stood for sanity:
Marshall (GA)
Taylor (MS)
it is sad and appalling that only 3 members of the majority in congress are worthy of the high honor and duty with which they have been entrusted. and one of them had to run as an independent just to stay a marginal member of that majority.
I am sick and tired of Democrats accusing people of calling them unpatriotic. No one has ever done so. But perhaps it is time we start. If cheering for defeat out of their small, petty hatred and spite is not unpatriotic, I don't know what is.
This is the most awful thing I've ever seen the Congress do in my lifetime.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
went into effect. The "Foreign assistance act" was what denied aid to the south Vietnamese. We denied our allies the means to defend themselves.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
At least American ground forces were out of Vietnam. Here we are commencing pulling the plug while major forces are still in action. It undercuts any new leadership and initiatives in Iraq, makes any future efforts questionable, and disgraces us internationally. The last is ironic given the animus against our efforts to fight a war that will become even more global.
And by global you can damm sure include America. This one ain't freezing five thousand miles away and it won't be chickens that come home to roost.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
...Well, what is the Bush administration waiting for? Time to finish the job in Vietnam!
The world only goes round by misunderstanding - Charles Baudelaire
Vietnamization was a success when we had 100,000 troops there. Interesting number that
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
actually a sick one considering the suffering and mass death in Vietnam, the South China Sea, and Cambodia. But that bothers you not at all being a liberal. We can always count on you guys to tell us what and who you are.
There might have been less death & suffering had not the party you support abandoned the people of S E Asia to their fate, cutting of all aid when they needed it most. But if the deaths of hundreds of thousands doesn't bother you certainly the aid cut off won't, one following from the other.
Well you people[?] enjoyed the first catastrophe the second time around must be a real bonus. Yes, and needless to say you are compassionate and care !
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
GOP CrapWeasels™ (see how many you can guess):
Castle
Coble
Davis, Tom
Duncan
English (PA)
Gilchrest
Inglis (SC)
Johnson (IL)
Jones (NC)
Keller
Kirk
LaTourette
Paul
Petri
Ramstad
Upton
Walsh (NY)
Democrat Patriots (there were only 2):
Marshall
Taylor
Some notable RINOS who hung tough:
Shays
Wilson (NM)
GOP no-votes:
Boustany
Davis, Jo Ann
Hastert
LoBiondo
Couple of comments:
1) Well I assume we can shred Rep. No's (Paul - TX)reputation as a "strict constitutionalist" - unless he thinks he's somehow now a co-CinC
2) So much for all those "new, conservative, blue dog" Democrats showing some "independence", eh?
3) LoBiondo would likely have joined the CrapWeasels™
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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?
Can't find 'em. In fact, with the exception of the bill on Stem Cell research the most Democrat no votes on anything the House has considered to date is 4. The stem cell bill got a whopping 12.
Someone tell me when we see proof of the "conservativeness" of people like Brad Ellsworth, Heath Schuler and Joe Donnelly.
Within artillery range of the 10th Mountain at Fort Drum. One of the most distinguished units.
Despicable.
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report
Tell him that he is wrong on this vote and standing with the forces of defeat. Truly unprecedented.
Contact: Dan Gage
315-423-5657
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report
a few yappy lap dogs showed up instead.
My guess is that the Blue Dogs have been reined in by Queen Nancy.
I never understand this so called "Blue Dog Democrat" thing.
If a politician is (conservative) then WHY.. WHY!!!?? would he/she want to caucus with Nancy Pelosi, Ed Markey, or Barney Frank!???
A TRUE conservative would be a Republican, NO questions asked.
OK enough of the "Blue Dogs".
WHEN and WHAT are we going to DO with the political struggle in this country?
How much longer can we keep going in circles battling with liberal hacks? These types of parliamentary GAMES are wearing thin. Something drastic is probably going to be needed to stop how divided this country has become. What...that will be is the question.
Were nothing more than the Democrats that weren't flat out socialists. In their caucus, that makes you a conservative and these votes show there aren't many more left, less than four.
Good update - I missed that in the fog.
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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?
He's as Conservative as you can get. I'll be reading his reason for voting with the Dems on this one.
Not saying how conservative a person is unless you know him on a personal basis.
That goes for saying how Liberal a person is, as well.
It is entirely possible that a person can sacrifice his "principles" in order to hold on to the reins of power to which he/she has become enamored.
It is also possible that this person could be just plain stupid and/or gullible.
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
These are the represenatatives who think that it is their perrogative to micromanage war strategy from the Congress, undermining the President's constitutional authority as Commander-in-Chief. Apostates.
Mike Castle (DE)
Tom Davis (VA)
John Duncan, Jr. (TN)
Phil English (PA)
Wayne Gilchrest (MD)
Bob Inglis (SC)
Tim Johnson (IL)
Walter Jones (NC)
Ric Keller (FL)
Mark Kirk (IL)
Steven LaTourette (OH)
Ron Paul (TX)
Tom Petri (WI)
Jim Ramstad (MN)
Fred Upton (MI)
Jim Walsh (NY)
Too Weak to Even Vote:
Charles Boustany (LA)
Jo Ann Davis (VA)
Dennis Hastert (IL)
Frank LoBiondo (NY)
Is from New Jersey, not New York.
Sad that so many Red State congressmen got weak in the knees. Maybe you cut some slack to the NE, Midwest guys that who might have strong anti-Iraq sentiment to deal with back home. But what's Congressman Paul's excuse? Or Duncan or Inglis? Do they think that their jobs are in danger over Iraq?
If Chris Shays can muster a no vote (when Iraq really was a big issue in his district), what excuse are these guys peddling?
Coupled with Gov. Jodi Rell's atrocious tax hiking plan, I'm fully behind Chris Shays running for Chris Dodd's senate seat when he retires in 2010.
Honestly...Ron Paul is great on spending issues, but...he may need to go.
The video of him explaining his vote is infuriating. It's posted on his website.
He is already advocating defunding the troops.
They are, at their core, peaceniks. Since 9/11 every piece of Libertarian campaign literature I have seen has involved call for "peace at all costs."
Ron Paul is a Libertarian posing as a Republican because he probably couldn't win without the Republican line. He ran for President in 1988 on the Libertarian ballot line.
The Republican Conference in the House should demote the Congressmen from any Ranking positions he may now hold on committees and subcommittees.
support wars, for the most part libertarians appear to be fairly isolationist at least with regards to security.
And I think in the end while the Libertarians may fit better in the GOP on fiscal issues, they aren't exactly republicans, and it is times like this when it shows.
Although I agree with the post somewhere upthread-if Libertarians are really the constitutionalists they say they are, his Yea doesn't really make sense, given that this measure isn't really something that is for congress to decide-it is just a "yeah, he look anti war crowd we did something, its totally meaningless, but we did do something" so you would think a constitionalist would have voted "nay" on principle.
As has been discussed many many times. There are Libertarians and libertarians. There are also libertarian-conservatives such as Goldwater and Reagan. Then there are authoritarian-conservatives such as Frist and Bush. We should be clear when we make these broad accustions and stereotypes.
If you are saying the Libertarian Party and Libertarian purists are isolationist, you are correct. If you are saying conservative Republicans who also call themselves libertarian in philosophy are isolationist, then you are WRONG.
Ron Paul does not represent libertarian Republicans, he represents Ron Paul. His vote was nothing new and anyone who expected a different vote does not know much about Paul. There is nothing new here and no clarity about libertarian Republicans has been made here.
There were 16 other Republicans who voted with Paul. Are they all libertarian? Did their votes show that all "moderate Republicans" are isolationist? Or where their votes simply personal choices, bad ones at that.
Molon Labe!
In Milton Friedman's final interview with the Wall Street Journal, he was asked what the greatest threat to the economy was, and he answered that it was the threat from Islamic terrorism. To me, that suggests that he doesn't think that all noninterventionalism is such a good thing.
most libertarians identify themselves as such for one of two reasons, they either want drugs legalized or want significant reduction in taxes and government regulation. For the most part, both are peaceniks.
Ayn Rand opposed WWII.
at our troops. But somehow, I doubt it.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
with non-binding money this year as well. I suspect America's Mother-In-Law™ and her fellow Profiles in Courage wouldn't think that to be too amusing, however.
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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?
my district and I shall be working very hard during election time to ensure that any challenger that chooses to oppose him has mine and my families financial and physical support to send him home. Traitor.
Peace through superior fire power:)
My wife and I worked on his campaign in 2000. He was a great guy. Firmly believed what he was saying... Then, at least. After he got on the Hill, I guess all the idealism disappeared.
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.
with what pride they crawl on their knees to proclaim their surrender!
it is merely a prelude for what is to come. No matter how long and bright the arc of civilization is it always ends, and it ends in darkness; long periods of darkness.
Hannibal advances on the gates. If we should fail to win this political battle, and the “slow bleed” becomes not only the policy of the Democrats, but the policy of our country, I wonder if historians, millennia from now, will mark this day as the day freedom began its retreat into darkness, and the day our society refused to rage against that darkness. Will it be the day we decided that our society and our ideals were not worth fighting for? Will it mark the day we decided that the lives and freedom of other people didn't matter to us any longer? Is today the day we decided liberal democracy cannot stand against the purity and savagery of fanatic barbarians? I pray it is a meaningless political stunt by a party that Americans realize are not fit to lead.
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain." --John Adams (1735-1826)
When I think about the future prospects of my children I weep. “Soldier” in the service of America would swell my heart with pride, but the fools in Congress seem set on making "soldier" my children’s only career choice, which is tragic.
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem." - President Ronald Reagan
The absolute stunner to me was Virginia congressman Tom Davis (my former representative).
He represents a district in Northern Virginia - largely the Fairfax area (pretty wealthy one) - that is generally Republican, although James Moran did win election there before re-districting. Also former chairman of the NRCC.
Not a back bencher like the others.
Interesting.
Disappointing.
SMG
If there was ever any doubt that the democrat party stands in the way of victory in the Global War on Terror, let that doubt now be put to rest.
democrats are not for America,they are for democrats.
democrats are not for protecting American citizens they are for protecting their precious positions of power in the halls of congress.
They believe that the way to win the White House is to surrender to terrorists.
The blood, from this moment forth is on your hands.
Shame on you ladies and gentlemen,SHAME!
The souls of all who have given their lives for the cause of freedom since the founding of this Great Nation cry out from beyond: SHAME!
"You never need a firearm,until you need it BADLY!"
I think that Jim Gilmore needs to drop his silly bid for the presidency and run for the U.S. Senate if John Warner drops out. Then Allen needs to come back and knock off Webb in 2012.
Was recently released from the hospital, & this would explain her missing the vote. No doubt she would vote with the good guys, as she is very pro military.
What matters now is this mission succeed beyond any honest doubt. The Democrats have been on the wrong political side of an Iraq vote twice before, let's make the third time a charm.
The message to the troops; you believe in this mission, the Iraqi government believes in this mission, your command believes in this mission but no the U.S. Congress does not or arguably the people that put them there. When you've been abandoned and left on your own is when it's best to prove all the doubters wrong. Now is the time for everyone, ourselves, the Iraqi government and the incoming reinforcements to step up and put this victory to bed once and far all, to create a free and human government for the Iraqi people. And when we do, there is a list, a historical record of people who are not welcome anywhere near the victory party. For them, there is a special hot place they can all go straight to.
I called and then later e-mailed Rep. Petri.
What a waffler. I support the troops, now I kind of support them but I dislike what their commander-in-chief is doing.
Talk about hacking the troops off at the knees.
Dear Rep. Johnson,
I was very disappointed to learn that you sided with Nancy Pelosi in the vote against our troops yesterday. (Please don't claim you "support" our troops, your vote proved you don't.)
I don't live in your district, I live in East Peoria in your friend Ray LaHood's district. However, I am close enough to be politically active in your area and I have relatives who do live in the 15th. I intend to actively support whoever opposes you in the primary for the next election. There are many other Republicans like myself who also will work to defeat you because of this vote.
However, I am a forgiving sort and if you work to support our troops in all future votes I will instead actively work for your re-election. The please let us know who you side with, Nancy Pelosi or the troops.
BrianH
Socialism doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but it's been tried and it's failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.
Mark I, please post and update naming the names of all of the Republicans who voted for defeat.