The Fringe Runs the Dem Party (w/ vid)

(Chuck Todd/MSNBC vid linked below the fold)

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We know who runs the Democratic Party in 2008, and it is not the mass of registered Democrats. MSNBC analyst Chuck Todd showed signs of almost getting it on this morning's Morning' Joe program. Taking to Willie Geist on this morning's episode, he posits that Republicans don't get Democrat politics (and vice-versa). Of course, he is going by what the media tells him about the Republicans' understanding of Dem politics (and v/v), so he's confusing himself. He goes off on a strange loop about how a Hillary/Hagel ticket wouldn't work. (I'm not sure from where that one came.)

But his insight is pretty good. Check this exchange, dealing with the Democrat wannbes blowing off the DLC meeting this past weekend:

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GEIST: They're changing the way they campaigned for sure this time around. Bill Clinton speaking at the DLC convention. But none of the candidates are speaking at this thing. Meanwhile they're at the college democrat convention and pandering to the bloggers. What does this tell you about the campaigns.

TODD: It tells the Democratic Party has shifted from its days of the Bill Clinton and DLC and the moderate, centrists sort of pro-business Democratic Party is developing and -- party it is developing. It is becoming the populist party again and the party it was in the ' '60s, and '70s. That shows that Clinton has loyalty to those folks. If there is a DLC candidate, it is Hillary. She got the most support from the people that will be speaking in the last couple of days. It does show you the ideological shift. All of these candidates are showing up to the Yearly Kos the Daily Kos’s convention which didn't exist two years ago. It shows you who runs the Democratic Party. It is not the middle.

It is odd, that a populist party could be out of touch with the population. It is interesting, that a fringe harping about power-to-the-people and truth-to-power could ignore both the people and the truth when taking the power in a party – but, yes, they've done it. The shift in ideology is to the hard left, away from the lefty-middle DLC and towards the MoveOn.org/Kossack wing. Yes, we've known this for a while, but this is seeping slowly into the media.

Chuck Todd is a smart guy. I wonder if he knows what this means and will mean? Does it mean primary trouble for the DLC-Hillary wing? Or do the lefties co-opt Hillary as inevitable?

So many questions to answer as we watch their daytime drama unfold.

The MSNBC Vid is HERE.
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UPDATE: Some perspective from MSNBC's First Read:

A year ago, a handful of potential Democratic presidential candidates (Hillary Clinton, Evan Bayh, and Tom Vilsack) attended the centrist Democratic Leadership Council’s annual meeting in Denver. But this time around, not a single one has traveled to Nashville to speak at this year’s conference, which continues today. On the flip side, most of them will participate this weekend at the YearlyKos convention, sponsored by the liberal political blog DailyKos.

Also note that of last years "potential candidates" attending the DLC meeting, only Hillary's making a go of it. Sending Bill shows she's not severing all ties, but to the rest, Bill Clinton's DLC no longer exists. This break is big.

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Are you sure it is the "fringe" that is running the Democrat Party? My family is born and raised Massachusetts liberal. Though, I must admit I have been successful in debating with my father and getting him to lean more centrist in his stance using reason in recent years. They are still hostile to conservative issues.

I have found that when I am home, my family and their circle of friends are fairly in the hard left corner of opinion. So, this leads me to ask, is the fringe really running the party, or is it that the leadership face of the Democrat party just feeling safer admitting to what they already believe? I would tend to believe the latter is true.

The Democrats are just feeling more secure admitting what they have been hiding from public debate for a long time. That is why they ran Congressman in the last election as Psuodo-Conservatives to retake the house. Now, they are just slowly shaking off all pretensions they may have had until now.

That is my take on it anyway. Take it for what it is worth.

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the entire state is on the fringe. Just look at the government, all D's, 90% d's in the state house, etc. And of those, 80% are leftist lib's. MA is in its own socialist world, you cannot compare anywhere to this place. You have leftist cities like SF, Berkeley, etc. but MA are those throughout the state.

About how your father votes? Just look at how proud people are of Gerry Studds, all the kennedy's, barney frank, etc. People in this state honestly look up to them and not only support their voting record but think they are great people.

Imagine if Hil busted on the nuttiest of the nutroots, and their father Kos, on stage at Kos' lovefest.

Think about it. Obama and Edwards HAVE to kiss up to Kos. Hil doesn't. In fact, the Kossacks will only show tepid love for Hil at best. She's not their type.

So, if you're on Team Hillary, why not bust out on Kos and the nuttiest of the nutters? What better way to reinforce the image of you as the only adult among the Democratic frontrunners, than to rebuke---gently but firmly---the party's children and their Pied Piper?

It'd make for an interestin weekend, wouldn't it?

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

Not sure if her current bunch of advisors are as bold.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

If the left is once again hijacking the Dems--to the party's electoral detriment, one hopes--it is useful to speculate on what would be a corresponding "fringe" takeover of the GOP. Time was it would have been agenda control by, say, Birchers. I nominate for the contemporary role those who make intractable positions on abortion, gay rights and related social issues sine qua nons of candidate acceptibility. Indeed, any group successfully insisting on ideological "purity" in a mass democracy is essentially a fringe hijacker; political genius lies in knowing where, and when, compromise is necessary.

People who support human life and do not support radically altering our social landscape by drastically changing the meaning of institutions such as marriage a "fringe.

On some matters, compromise is wrong.

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"On some matters, compromise is wrong."

Quote of the day.


...when they see me they'll say, "There goes Loren Wallace,
the greatest thing to ever climb into a race car."

" political genius lies in knowing where, and when, compromise is necessary."

The Right is made up of individualists. These naturally independent souls make uneasy alliances only when necessary.
Once the battles which brought them together have ended, they go their solo ways.

The Left is inclined toward collectivism. Compromise fits better into the lifestyle of those who prefer to live in 'the Village'.

I doubt rightists consistently fit the feisty individualist mold CarolinaMan limns, though it's no doubt a gratifying self-conceit. Anyway, it was Burke who admonished us to temper our passions, and that should include a passion for the moral high ground no less than any other. Being effective is a lot more important than being pure, even if it's more work and less dramatically satisfying.

gay rights and related social issues sine qua nons of candidate acceptibility[sic].

You are obviously talking about Democrats. You remember, those folk who refused to allow the Governor of PA to speak at their convention because he was pro-life.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I'm indeed speaking of those Democrats, among others; in fact, the Democratic party is far more intolerant of heterodoxy than are the Republicans, and that should be a GOP strength, though it has been poorly exploited. But mbecker908's suggestion that this is uniquely a Democratic failing is wrong; far too many posters at this site are as rigid as those who denied Gov. Casey a forum.

This started with "the fringe left is taking over the Dems." Of course, if it succeeds, and the Dems continue their roll, it will be hard to call the ascendant left a "fringe." My question, though, remains: what do people reading this blog think would be the right-wing counterpart of the fringe element taking over the Dems? As I said, it used to be the commies under every bed crowd; who is it now?

And the Libertarians, I would say would be the closest comparison.

It's really hard to make a good comparison because all the Right's fringe groups are more broken than the Left's. They don't Want to work together.

"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
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A "fringe running the party".

The difference between the major parties is stark. The Democrats - as in the Party - have a virtual ban on pro-life folks. On Joe Lieberman. On anyone who would advocate for choice in schools via vouchers or choice in retirement via private accounts. Toe the line or be outside in the cold.

No such orthodoxy exists in the Republican PARTY. Are there those who say they would not vote for Rudy because of his stand on abortion? Yes. But you might want to check who's at the top of the national polls of REPUBLICANS at this point in the race. You might also want to note that Rudy has a sizable following here at Redstate.

Would I (or just about anybody here) tolerate a Chuck Hagel POTUS run? No. If he gets reelected will we put up with his crap in the Senate? Sure. We even tolerate people who supported NCLB, Medicare Part D and the immigration fiasco.

Bottom line, there is no right wing equivalent of the nutroots.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I didn't say posters at a site translated into a fringe running the party. But the Rs have come perilously close, in recent years, to allowing a minority to exercise a de facto veto over candidates failing to seem sufficiently enthusiastic about policies that would put the party at odds with the majority of Americans. Let us hope that bullet has been dodged. And I agree the Rs are, currently, more accepting of diverse viewpoints than are the Dems, who are as fixated on lockstep orthodoxy as the Comintern. Let us hope that the Rs, and the right, remain receptive to heterodoxy--it's a strength.

just figured this out? He doesn't remember the "we bought it, we own it" comment from moveon.org several years ago. And I don't know how he could call the radical left agenda "populist". It is not a populist policy but rather a socialist movement like in old europe. It will be interesting as they continue to move further and further left, how long the MSM will continue to carry water for them. Outside of MSNBC, NYtimes, and other newpapers, there are not a lot of hard core socialist leftists who share the same views as moveon and kos.

 
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