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Just don't question their patriotism while they swing.

Kyoto Now! (Because only pollution from the US hurts the planet)

So please, compare the above with this quote from the Edwards thread.

"John Edwards is about to find out that there are indeed two Americas. One bands together and prays for the death of their political opponents, and the other bands together and prays for their full and complete recovery.

I am proud to say that I know which America the members of RedState are citizens of."

Need a ladder or two to get off that horse you're on?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

of the vagaries of life and victims of their own selfish perfidy.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

so few thoughts and so many words.

What's your point? Is it that out of a country of 300 million people there are some that voice their displeasure with the war in Iraq in a tasteless manner?

Read the story, the title, and the links. If you still have questions get back to me.

Have you seen any pictures of the coffins of our troops coming back from Iraq?

Yes.

That's a lot more sickening then the pictures you posted because those deaths never had to happen.

Yeah, well, that's your opinion. A lot of us, especially those of us who have actually served see the sacrifice in service of the nation in a different light. But don't let me slow you down, I'm sure there is a soldier somewhere just waiting to be spat upon.

And the people responsible for the Iraq mess (minus Rummy now) want to sacrifice more troops for what?

Gee, to win. To give 26 million people the chance to have a better life. To get at some of the root causes of transnational terrorism. To increase the long term stability of a very unstable but important part of the world. Those would be my guesses.

We will never win the war in Iraq.

Not if you have a say, that's for sure.

The strife between the various ethnic groups in Iraq will not end.

What model crystal ball do you use? Mine's on the fritz and I was looking to upgrade, anyway.

The invasion has provided Arab radicals with a cause and enemy they can unite around and strengthened their recruitment.

Is that's what's happening? Then why is the number of foreign fighters showing up in Iraq steadily decreasing?

And our borders are still not secure.

And because of the you burn soldiers in effigy and torch the flag. Great solution to the problem, Sparky.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Have you seen any pictures of the coffins of our troops coming back from Iraq? That's a lot more sickening then the pictures you posted because those deaths never had to happen.

I don't take your outrage all that seriously because, quite frankly, the opinion of a set of people whose entire lives are premised on the notion that there is nothing worth fighting for, dying for or keeping one's word for even when the situation seems bleak are really not worth bothering about.

We will never win the war in Iraq.

This is called wishful thinking.

If you believe that the strategy and tactics that have been used in Iraq so far are correct I beg to differ. We had too few troops on the ground right after the "victory". Numerous military personnel have admitted that but perhaps you are unaware of that key point. Because of that, our troops were and are at risk.

Now the President wants to send far too few troops to get the job done. If you go into battle you go into win. If you think we are winning and will win with the suggested troop levels you are greatly mistaken. If we can't win, or are not ALLOWED to win, what's the point? Are you happy playing for a draw?

"No one is remembered for the novel they almost wrote"

Now the President wants to send far too few troops to get the job done.

Based, of course, on your in-expertise and opportunistic (and obsolete) Lefty talking points.

Go look up the meaning of Rules of Engagement, i.e. ROE, and then try to get it into your skull that pure raw numbers in military matters, while important, are not the be-all, end-all.

In other words, 200 soldiers with the correct ROE are capable of being far more effective that 500 with an inappropriate ROE for the situation at hand.

Do you understand or should I type slower.

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We will never win the war in Iraq

The outcome which would make you happiest - until you're killed by the terrorists who follow us home.

Oops.

If you think we can win in Iraq with our present strategy and troop levels I've got a bridge to sell you. I've said it before, don't confuse fantasy with reality. We all want victory. But if you can't give the troops the support they need aren't you just sending them out to fight with one arm tied behind their backs?

Is it an acceptable plan to allow US troops to continue dying where there is no hope our present strategy will prevail in a victory? I beg to differ. Apparently their deaths are OK with you though.

"No one is remembered for the novel they almost wrote"

If you think we can win in Iraq with our present strategy and troop levels I've got a bridge to sell you.

Show me the bridge, because we are winning in Iraq unfortunately the Administration is getting its butt kicked here at home.

I've said it before, don't confuse fantasy with reality.

Not sure "reality" is a very compelling argument coming from you.

We all want victory.

Do we? See above pictures.

But if you can't give the troops the support they need aren't you just sending them out to fight with one arm tied behind their backs?

We won't know if that is the case until we see what the Defense bill looks like. It hasn't been that way in the past so hopefully the Dems won't screw this up like they do everything else they touch.

Is it an acceptable plan to allow US troops to continue dying where there is no hope our present strategy will prevail in a victory?

That isn't the case so this is sort of a rhetorical question. Now if we have to follow the plans proffered by Murtha, Pelosi, and Biden then we can have this discussion.

Apparently their deaths are OK with you though.

Sparky, Sparky, Sparky. Why did you have to do that?

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

...does not mean there is no hope.

The progress being made by General Petraeus seems to be making a lot of people a bit queasy. The Defeatocrats have been mindlessly chanting their "no hope" mantra for so long, it's inconceivable that they may have horribly miscalculated and bet on the wrong side to win.

It's okay. Come in off the ledge. We'll give you a warm cup of cocoa and a fire retardant American flag.

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because it is by all means appropriate. Posting such inane comments on RS of all places leads me to the conclusion that you are fairly unbalanced yourself.

Obviously you feel nothing is worth fighting over, with an outlook like this I wouldn't doubt your user name "jkca1" is Farsi for doormat.
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BTW, in reference to:

Have you seen any pictures of the coffins of our troops coming back from Iraq?

You did happen to notice the soldier being burned in effigy in the picture, right?

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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?

Coffins and burnings. All wrong.

"No one is remembered for the novel they almost wrote"

Please stop, before you hurt yourself.

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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?

Apparently fair debate is not part of your ethical makeup. You want only your opinion to be heard and God forbid that anyone disagrees with you. Well that's going to happen in this country Sparky. Thank God for freedom. Perhaps you'd feel better in a place like North Korea? At least that way you'd know what to say and think.

"No one is remembered for the novel they almost wrote"

last I looked, their government was on the left side of things....

As you say, thank God for freedom. Why are you opposed to letting the Iraqis have some?

Socialism doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but it's been tried and it's failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.

You want only your opinion to be heard and God forbid that anyone disagrees with you.

The "Fairness" Doctrine, Campus Speech Codes, etc. - sorry, friend, that's all you guys on the Left. If any group of people exemplify the idea that only their views are legitimate and worthy of being heard.

Last time I checked, Kos had no active non-Lefty posters ... and you come here, post, insult people and then claim that we do not value free speech?

Are you honestly this stupid ... or did you learn it in school?

>>>>Are you honestly this stupid ... or did you learn it in school?

Kyoto Now! (Because only pollution from the US hurts the planet)

You say:

Coffins and burnings. All wrong.

What the heck am I supposed to think? That tells me you have something against coffins for some reason - as if you're in the family cremation business or something.

I don't do the mindreading thing (and neither do you, evidently). And I'm all about people disagreeing with me - I live in Massachusetts, I live disagreement.

Now, do you have a point to make or are you just a 3rd-rate troll who is starved for attention and simply cannot wait to get started on your "I got banned at RedState" Kos diary? If it's the former, make a cogent point and defend it - you might start by forming some sort of argument in defense of the practice of burning our soldiers in effigy as a form of patriotism. That would make for interesting reading.

Good luck with all that.

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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?

And I am quite sure that the hygeine-challenged punk monkeys in the photographs didn't have a damn thing to do with preserving it.

I would say that they have no problem bathing in freedom's warm waters, but the "no problem bathing" part is a bit of a stretch - what do you think, Sparky?

Of course not. This is a family site so posters can't put up all the pictures and verbiage that detail what these parasites actually say.

But we the unwilling, have been oppressed for so long by the haughty self-righteous humanists who deny moral knowledge is possible, have finally grown so tired of the filth they spew that we no longer care that we will not be able to engage in a fair fight and accept that while it may be our last definant act to fight for honor, courage, and most of all liberty for all people, at least it WILL be an act of defiance in the face of the Stalinist tyrany of the defeatocrats and their fellow world travelers.

I note that you are following the Vietnam defeatocrat playbook to a T: Denying that any progress is possible at the very moment when the troops have engaged in a new plan that is stabilizing the country, allowing liberty (which is far more important than democracy) to grow, and starting to assume responsibility for their own destiny. The defeatocrats on the Hill are doing their level best to deny the funding which will ensure the victory so they can claim some prescence of mind in being able to predict that which they have caused. I reject that whitewash of the responsiblity of such people for the deaths of millions. You may not be thinking about that blood on your hands, but I am, and I don't want it on mine because I didn't stand up to you when I had the chance. I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm flat out telling you your stance is immoral, not matter how fancifully you dress it up.

but forgiveable as there is no force more powerful than natural gas. (As he demonstrates daily).

Burning effigies OF OUR OWN TROOPS in OUR OWN COUNTRY in WARTIME for ALL THE WORLD TO SEE- well, that has moved many light years beyond tasteless.

I see your RS career has come to an end. RIP. (I was tempted to say "Drop Dead" but fear of the editors inspired me to say something...more tasteful.)

as long as every terrorist in the world is assured by every
Democrat politician except Sen Lieberman and two Representatives, that if they just hold on the American Democrats will give them every thing they want; just like the Democrats gave Vietnam to North Vietnam.

Every coffin coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq contains an American who was not supported by the Democrats. The same Democrats who, stated in speech after speech in the late 1990s/early 2000s that they believed that Saddam had WMDs and that he needed to be removed. The same Democrats who voted to support the action that started the deaths, that they now claim didn't have to happen.

The Democrats did the same thing to American soldiers in Vietnam. It is absolutely wrong to send our troops to war and then support the goals of the enemy that is killing our troops.

Invalidated them in 1802.

See the Academy

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See the Academy

Your comment is "". Well, I just don't have words for it. Are you advocating that because I complained that congress as a whole is underfunding our troops that my wife should divorce me? I actually made a point about how everyone in congress talks fast and hides the truth. You suggest that if military memebers want to make more money then they should try to advance faster? What do you say to the ones who advance in rank as fast that the rules allow? Are you against providing our military and their familys a decent living. One that keeps up with inflation? How does your position actually support our troops?

We're both accustomed to trolls posting semi-reasonable statements only to lull us into false security so they can fully unload on us later. We both tend to shoot quickly in such situations, sometimes more quickly than we ought. The topic in this thread is that the current house leadership is undermining the troops while saying they support them. I see your point and sympathize with it. I can see how you think it is related and relevant, you want full support from everybody and you haven't been getting it. Still I think there is a significant difference between those who would have liked to have more funding for the troops but knew they couldn't get it so settled for less than optimal, and those who are outright lying about their support for the troops because they know if they do what they really want to do they'll get booted from power toot-suit. If you are for real and not a troll, you are also going to need all the friends you can get, so let's not form a circular firing squad eh?

See the Academy

I can see how you think he's bear-baiting, but he hasn't attacked the troops or the current plan, and he's got a bit of a point, even if it isn't related to the posted topic. NR just released an article "More of Everything" about how underfunded our military is. It's not just the pay, it's not just the up-armored Humvees, or the facilities at Walter Reed, it's everything, including the R&D that will support our troops 20 years from now. And although Republicans don't control the current budget, they have for the last six years, and their failure to do right by the troops is part of why they lost the last election.

Now, if he does switch to mindlessly denigrating the plan or the troops, I got your back. But at least for the moment, we need all the friends we can get.

of "inflation" as it relates to any real measure of the cost of living of any given person. It is valuable to show some sort of trend over time as it measures the cost of a relatively fixed market basket. There are good arguments as to whether that market basket is an appropriate mix and no argument that it is very slow to indicate technological change or generalized changes in consumption and lifestyle. Thus, it is not even a good guide for COLA for even civilian workers and certainly not for the military who have many military provided or subsidized benefits and allowances that would be in the market basket for a civilian.

One of the most significant criticisms of the CPI-U is how heavily weighted it is towards housing costs and the way it reflects those costs. The fact that there has been, say, a five percent upward trend in the selling price of housing in a given area is meaningless to any particular person's housing cost unless they have, in fact, just bought a house. Yet, that 5% trend will show as an increase in the CPI-U and wages tied to CPI-U will go up accordingly. That is a prescription for inflation since it is a wage increase not tied to either actual currency devaluation, real inflation, nor to increased productivity; that is a textbook prescription for inflation of an economy.

I've never looked at an authoritative salary study for the military so I take no position on how well compensated or not the military is today. I do know enough about the career military to know that they tend to be like other public employees and only look at their on-check wages for comparison to other occupations. When one adds in all the benefit and allowance costs paid by the employer, one gets a very different view of the compensation from that gained from only viewing the on-check wages.

I would offer also a personal observation: my younger son is an infantryman with a HS education, my older by four years son is a recent college graduate. My wife does the finances for both of them because they're both "financially challenged," or maybe they're "financially challenged" BECAUSE she does it all for them, but we do know their finances. In any event, the older one has a pretty decent job of the sort a recent state university BA with no real experience can expect. Even leaving aside the older's student loan expenses, the younger one has dramatically more disposable income than the older one, and we are deferring or sheltering everything we legally can for the younger one. He has a fairly new BMW that he bought in Germany and could use his leave time to run off to all sorts of nice places. The older one can barely keep gas in an ancient Civic and couldn't get out of sight without help from us. The younger one is in Afghanistan now, so while he's getting more pay, he can't spend it, so I suspect that when his turn is over, there's going to be one Helluva party; maybe he'll invite his brother.

In Vino Veritas

This is almost certainly a posting rule violation.

Posting full articles that have appeared elsewhere in full without attribution and without expressed permission is a no-no.

Just saying.

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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?

1. This is a threadjack. Stop it. If you want to discuss this subject write a diary.

2. 4GW is a nonsensical concept. I know it has some adherents, primarily in some circles in the Marine Corps and among those who think Bill Lind knows his butt from a hot rock. The bottom line is that warfare, historically, doesn't follow the generational concept and wars are fought on tactical, operational, and strategic levels. Network-centric warfare has much more to commend it if for no other reason that it isn't based on a fallacious view of history.

3. You really need to stick around here a bit longer before you start telling us how it is done. We have people posting here who have served in fairly responsible positions in the military in the US and in Iraq. Some people share your opinions on somethings. But you seem to think that you understand what is really going on. I disagree.

4. Thanks for not thinking we're bad people. We were really concerned about that.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

...I didn't see any point in keeping the copyright violator around. Particularly since the pirated material wasn't particularly all that anyway.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

last time I heard the Democrats are the only ones that have raised the white flags. Our troops are out there fighting and still intent on winning.
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that these people are fringe. I don't believe that to be the case. These people are the mainstream anti-war movement. I can provide you with a lot more photos, like this, from the Mall last weekend, and from a dozen other US cities.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

The majority of the people uncomfortable with the war (and there are more of them each day) see stuff like this and stare slack-jawed. I support the war and see what we're doing there as unlikely to bear fruit for at least a generation... but I can completely understand how someone would see the war as, if not nothing but destructive, then merely and a waste of blood and treasure (as, I imagine, many looked at the Civil War in the 1870's).

"The Left" has a great many ghosts from Vietnam and stuff like burning effigies of soldiers brings those ghosts to the forefront.

I do think that "The Left" should go to as much effort to remove "evillibs" as "The Right" has done to discredit "evilcons" and I have no problem with arguments that they haven't done so... but I also sympathize with the argument that "these people are so evidently not aligned with People Like Me that it's offensive that you ask me to more vigorously decry what they've done here."

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

I could very easily see how someone would see the Civil War as a bloody waste. Emancipation was, effectively, inconsequential. Reconstruction was going poorly. Racism was, if anything, exacerbated in the South.

Now, of course, we know that The Civil War was the right thing for Lincoln to have done. We know that slavery was an Abomination. But imagine looking around without our perspective today at our country in 1870.

(And, as I said, I don't see what we've done in Iraq bearing fruit for at least a generation. This is not to say that we should not have done it.)

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

59% of Americans want legislation forcing the end of the war by fall 2008. Yet these rabid anarchist types, drawn to doing repugnant things to get attention, represent us? For each rabid protestor with too much time on their hands, there are thousands of ordinary people who go about their lives and happen to oppose the war. And trust me, you would not want the tables turned on other issues. There are plenty on the rabid Right who no more represent you than these guys represent those who are anti-Iraq war.

confusing the anti-war movement with people who have been asked a binary question in a poll. I'm a pro-lifer, Sparky, don't presume to talk to me about "tables turned."

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Then please tell me - how many people burn flags and effigies of soldiers? How many people are "anti-war"?

1. too many

2. too many

anymore softballs you want to lob this way

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

To allow fringe groups to poison a point of view gives them way too much power. Of course those of us in the mainstream Left condemn flag and soldier effigy burning, just as the mainstream Right condemns Fred Phelps types and racist groups, who happen to agree with the mainstream Right on gay marriage and immigration, respectively. To even require that anyone in the mainstream take action to condemn the fringes gives those repugnant attention seekers power and recognition they don't deserve. Just ignore them.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

Is a megaphone I don't want to be taken away from anyone.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

But we're not going to pretend to their enablers that they can give a voice to every organized group of scumbags in Western Civilization and still remain... somehow disassociated from it all.

These are their guys. If they don't like it, good.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

I would need to have this word unpacked for me... because the way I'm unpacking it would make me one of their enablers too... and, as I said, I support the war.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

...allow and encourage your politicians to attend their functions and lend their names to them, actively assist them in their endeavours and seek to confound their enemies. Merely advocating their right to speak does not even remotely count.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

If a politician showed up at this particular march, that would be disgraceful and I would fully expect said politician to denounce, denounce, and then apologize to his constituents.

But if these people pick a politician and support him or her, that shouldn't be read as the politician supporting them.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

...in saying "allow and encourage your politicians to attend their functions and lend their names to them", I'm missing why you need to tell me this.

Moe

PS: Don't ever compare the Log Cabin Republicans to the antiwar movement like that again. Understood?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

But were there any such politicians at the rally in question? (I'm honestly asking, I can't find a story that mentions any and am using that starting point to jump to the conclusion that one was not there... but my Google-fu is not strong).

And, for the record, I wasn't comparing the Log Cabin Republicans to the anti-war crowd at all. I was more remembering the calls to Reagan from some groups who saw that the LCRs donated to Reagan's campaign and argued that he should send the money back. He said something to the effect of (and I can't find the exact quote) "I'm not going to change what I'm going to do because of this money... they sent it to me because they support what I would do whether or not I got it." (Again, I mangled that quote, wish I knew how better to google it.)

The comparison I was making was not to anti-war types, but to politicians who find themselves having to defend having attracted followers that others disapprove of. There was no deeper comparison than that.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

As to your other point: if that was your intent, then my response was a bit too vehement. My apologies.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

I didn't want you saying "that was malicious" if you could be saying "that was facile".

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

The 1st Amendment gives them the megaphone; it is RedState who is giving them the attention they seek but don't deserve.

in your kitchen. We're just showing the world what the anti-war movement is like.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

The First gives them the right to use it.

RedState? We're just the flashlight.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

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But I still consider him an "evilcon".

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

the second photo is obviously of anarchists. The first is just run of the mill anti-war protesters.

But the fact remains, if you are supporting an action that draws these people out in favor of said action, maybe you should think about what you are proposing.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

the second photo is obviously of anarchists. The first is just run of the mill anti-war protesters.

The person holding the left hand side of the banner in the first photo is also involved (holding some sort of black flag) with the stuff going on in the second.

Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. - Douglas Adams

correct. The first photo is simply taken in the vicinity of the second group. But knock yourself out.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Here is a photo with the same anarchist sign being held by the people doint the burning.

Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. - Douglas Adams

...the anti-war crowd not only shares the same objectives as ANSWER, WWP, professional marchnicks, anarchists, Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, CAIR, and jihadists, they openly share the same megaphone with 7/8 of them.

"You're known by the company you keep", indeed. At what point do you look around at the freak show that shares your cause and ask yourself, "why?"

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in the same VW Bug.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Stop going to their marches, stop going to their protests, stop letting your politicians pander to their activists, stop encouraging their behavior with your silence and, above all, stop acting so blipping wounded when people call you on this.

Ted Kaczynski was an exile from society. Cindy Sheehan is a celebrity. You tell me how marginalized these dregs of yours are.

Moe

PS: As for a clear expression of ideals from the anti-war left: yes, I think that would be a wonderful thing.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

If by that comment you are implying that the left has a relevant argument on the war, please write a blog about it. I've sure missed it, what with the current goings on in DC. And, FWIW, it appears that Hoyer, Pelosi, and Reid have missed it as well.

Thanks for stopping by though.
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69,70,71,72,73,74,75 well you get the drift. Grenada and Panama would have had the same but they were over too quickly. Gulf war I had the same "young idiots".

I would say history disputes your point. In 40 years the left has not repudiated these actors. On the contrary, their actions in office mirror the protesters, just with different visual aids.
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and I have yet to hear a word of condemnation from a single elected Democrat. Sorry, until "you" make the concerted and very public effort to disassociate "yourself" from them, you ARE them.
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the stated goal of the destruction of the United States, law and order, all social structures. They were doing this 10 years ago, and unfortunatley, they will be doing it 10 years from now.

This is not an expression of the anti-war left.

I guess we just see the goals of the anti-war left in a different light.

The people who are leading the charge, and not the little twitoids spending Dad's trustfund money on paper mache puppets, were involved in the anti war movement in the 60s, they supported Ortega and the communists insurrections in Central America in the 80s. They supported the nuclear freeze movement in the 80s.

The anti-war left is every bit as set on the destruction of this nation as the anarchists, they just dress better and bathe more frequently.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

You know very well that these people believe that the events that they show up to... just happen, somehow. It's not nice to remind them that they've quietly let their oh-so-noble cause be run by people who will also - and just as happily - put mere liberals up against the wall when the revolution comes.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

...yet, the background of ANSWER goes utterly unquestioned and unchallenged by not only the MSM, but also the Dems. Not a single word. Not even a raised eyebrow.

The Dems are willing to trade any semblance of principle for the dramatic effect of angry hordes on the march against Bush. They climbed into bed with these freaks and claimed them as their own. Now it's too late to disown them as "fringe elements".

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