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I Only Put This in "Republicans" Because We Don't Have a "Boneheads" Category.

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Oh, this is simply priceless. With Ken Mehlman retiring, we need a new RNC Chair.

We could have had a promising up-and-comer with a great life story, fantastic political skills, and odds-on-sharps like you wouldn't believe.

We could have had a dirty machine politico, who may make us all cringe a little at what he's willing to countenance, but who is used to the odd knifefight with a K-Bar and a rusty razor, and who could help us work our way back into the majority.

We could have had a lobotomized sea lion, who would at least know to bark to get some kind of fish on command.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the next best thing (by a little) to making Kevin Phillips the new RNC Chair: Bonehead Martinez. Yes, that's right, Bonehead, who with a five-point Bush win in trending-Red Florida at his back, barely managed to beat one of the more anodyne, bland Democrats to run for the Senate outside of Massachusetts; Bonehead, who managed to take a dicey political situation in the Terri Schiavo affair and make himself into a Google search result; Bonehead, who if asked to eat eggs over easy and shave at the same time, would end up with shiny whites and yolk smeared in fork-tine streaks across his face; Bonehead is going to be the RNC Chair.

And if gets better! He's going to multitask!

This was brought to you today by the same morons who griped all last week about do-nothing leadership in the House, only to ... wait for it ... prepare to vote in the same losers!

I'm proud to be a Republican today.


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I actually thought this was a joke when I originally read it had happened, then I recalled the president would make the selection per tradition. It makes perfect sense from that narrow perspective.

What we do in life echoes in eternity.
-Maximus Decimus Meridius

I heard this on the radio tonight, and I about upchucked my lunch. WHAT KIND OF IDIOTS MADE THIS CALL?! Surely, it was because he is hispanic. What other reason would the GOP have for putting this light-weight up as our leader? He is also a bigger proponent of Bush's amnesty deal than maybe even Bush is.

This gives me zero hope about the coming congressional leadership elections in a few days. DID YOU FOOLS LEARN NOTHING FROM LAST TUESDAY?!

In a world full of twists and turns, the ultimate twist...is a straight line.

that the convo quickly turns to immigration when we are talking about a Hispanic appointment.

Just an observation, no need to attack me, unless of course you are one of those imports from the Ann Coulter chat that likes to assail anyone to the left of Pat Buchanan on immigration.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?

...by the people making the decision, too.

"I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so." - Hamas leader Abu Abdullah

What are they smoking?

We could have had Michael Steele.....

I'm sure I'm not allowed to post on RedState my true reaction to this pick, so I'll just say this: we're sure getting off to a slow start on the whole learning our lessons from the election thing.

And on the whole earning back the trust of the American people thing.

And on the whole better leadership thing.

Ugh. Excuse me while I go barf in protest, then mourn the fact that I switched my registration from independent to Republican just this month.

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Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same. -The Fray, "All At Once"

I want Dick Cheney to be president for the final 2 years. He can install Lynn Cheney as RNC Chair. Now, while I would prefer Michael Steele, still - she would seriously kick jack-Democrat.

The Republican leadership has clearly learned nothing from the election results Tuesday.

Could they have made a worse pick?

I tell you, for the next two years we are going to have to think of President Bush as a democrat and act accordingly. My hope is complete government gridlock for two years.

Gridlock doesn't happen when the executive and legislative branches are held by the same party. Look at what Bush wants, and what the Dems who will soon control Congress want. Well, they both agree on eliminating our national borders, which Bush has deemed to be his most important legacy, even more important than the failed war in Iraq. Conservative are angry because we got nothing accomplished when we controlled Congress and the Presidency. It's almost like we had...well..."gridlock." That's because Bush is practically a Democrat, and is at odds with most Republicans. I stand by my original belief that Bush is glad the GOP lost the election.
Just Say No To Amnesty: http://www.fairus.org

Have you not been paying attention?

Did we get "nothing" accomplished?

Ronald Reagan got one NEW conservative on the Supreme Court (I say new because he only elevated Renquist). Dubya has already put twice that many there. Reagan was 1 for 3, Bush 41 was 1 for 2, Dubya is 2 for 2. I think that is quite an accomplishment.

President Bush pushed and signed the 2nd largest tax cut in history.

He has presided over the destruction of more terrorists than any President ever.

He signed the ban on partial birth abortion that is going to be upheld by his new members of the SCOTUS in a few months.

Also, without his pricipled stand, we would be funding the destruction of human embryos as we speak, WITH the backing of Bill Frist, Orrin Hatch, and countless other "real" conservatives.

As for a "failed" war, I know there are those of us who lack conviction and are ready to throw in the towel because of the media's portrayal of the rebuilding of Iraq, but that hardly makes Bush a failure, or a Democrat.

As for immigration, excuse me but if you did not know that George W. Bush was for amnesty when you voted for him, then you simply have NO CLUE as to his true nature. See, that is the difference between him and most politicians. He does what he thinks is right, not what you want him to do. He has always been for amnesty. He was not "convinced" by liberals to be for it. Even if you don't like it, at least admit that he stands on principle.

I don't like everything he does either, but I appreciate that he takes a stand and is not influenced by the talking heads or the "polls". Thank God for him and his leadership in a time when many others would crumble.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

You have hit the bull's eye! Is there a way for the party to renounce the sitting president to whom it gave its nomination twice? Probably not, but the remaining leaders -- who I still hope will be Pence, Shadegg and Sessions -- should act as if that has occurred.

Are you for or against this appointment? A little less nuance, son...tell us how you really feel!

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Political HinzSight

even though you guys slapped me down like a mosquito in the tent...
heh

What we do in life echoes in eternity.
-Maximus Decimus Meridius

Why don't we get all of the Child-molesting and corrupt politicians out of the party we have and then we can win elections and govern without going through 50 years of Democrat rule because of division of the conservative vote among two parties.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

RNC chair, what do they even do?

Everyone thought Dean would be a walking disaster and they managed to "thump" us pretty good last Tuesday. If Martinez can make up for the fact that we lost 10% of our Hispanic vote from '04, and he is reasonably competent at towing the line and not saying anything dumb, it's not a bad choice.

I agree Steele would have been better, but Martinez isn't the end of the world or anything.

This has little to do with the actualy influence of the RNC chair and plenty to do with the mindset behind the choice. It shows that Bush still thinks he's right; has learned nothing from the election (except that we should become MORE moderate); and that he will go to all lengths to ensure his view of amnesty is shoved down our throats.

This is Harriet Miers all over again, except this time Bush has absolute say.

In a world full of twists and turns, the ultimate twist...is a straight line.

I think we lost for a whole host of reasons, and Bush's stance on immigration isn't in the top three or four.

First off, our candidates committed way too many unforced errors (VA SEN, MT SEN, TX-22, OH-18, FL-16, PA-10, PA-7) which cost us the majority in the Senate and made what would have otherwise been a narrow win a more medium sized majority.

Second, the country is down in the dumps on Iraq. The media reporting is relentlessly negative, and that's probably in good part due to the fact that things aren't going swimmingly there.

Third, this year was going to stink for us almost no matter what actually was going on. You don't win seats in many consecutive elections.

Fourth, if there's a conservative grievance to be made, I think it would be spending first and immigration second. Tons of GOP candidates ran against Bush's line on immigration, some of them won, some of them lost. I think you'd be hard pressed to find many races where a candidate's stance on immigration cost him or her the win (the best I can think of off the top of my head would be Osbourne losing the NE GOV Primary).

I think a lot of fiscally conservative GOPers in places like Bucks County PA or Bradley's district in NH are ticked about spending though, and since that is the reason they are in the party, they ended up voting for the Dem whom they agree with on social issues.

I don't know why Martinez is necessarily a bad choice. I don't know much about him I guess, but his ACU rating and ATR rating look ok. Is the immigration stance the only grievance? I mean, the guy won a Dem held open seat in a swing state so he can't be a bad politician.

Look, I don't give a rat's patoot about his policies. It's the brain behind them that's so awful.

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

If he's an idiot, I will quietly step away and let the opposition continued unfettered.

even to know what his policies are (he certainly doesn't have the capacity to formulate them). You are right. This will be an embarssment every time ol' Mel pops up on the tube. I'll go so far as to say this is even worse than the Miers nomination if for no other reason than the timing.

We have an impossible choice I fear.

Amnesty is no more the issue today than then it was in 1986. Lets assume amnesty is given to the 11 to 20 million illegals, along with the medical care, welfare, social security and the other benefits of our welfare system. Experience has shown us that every illegal that is given amnesty has 4 or 5 family members they will want to get across the border. And those family members will also have extended family they will want to bring in and benefit from our welfare system. Hence, every granting of amnesty creates further demands against border enforcement.

So if the Republicans attempt to control our borders after the granting of amnesty, those already here as in the past, will vote in block (75%) for the Democrats who have long since made it clear that they will do nothing to stop the hemorrhaging of our borders.

Here lies the Republicans choice. Control our borders now, and loose the Spanish vote which is already tipping elections, or try to be even more liberal than the Democrats on this issue. Unless we provide Greyhound busses at the border for the illegal, we will not outdo the Democrats on this issue with this fast growing group of single-issue voters. But if the Republicans give up on this issue they will loose their conservative base and this country will eventually loose its culture and identity. The problem we are facing today is not so much amnesty as border enforcement. And it is the Republican attempt to control our borders that is driving Mexican (and other) votes to the Democrats.

The Democrats realize the dilemma the Republicans face, and will do nothing to help them out of this pickle. They know it could mean the death of the conservative movement, if not the Republican Party.

We can win with this issue.

As long as we wrap issues like gay marriage and abortion around the necks of Democrats, we can win Hispanic votes.

They do care about more than just immigration. If we can match the Dems on that issue, then we can beat them with the others.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

I looked at our Senate races individually and we looked pretty good on the Hispanic vote. Where did you get you figures from?

Oh, and Dean does suck. Dems could have done better without him. Schumer, Emanuel, and whoever leaked that Foley story deserve the credit for the Dem win. Dems just had more favorable circumstances and favorable candidate recruitment.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

What will this mean for the McCain candidacy? If there were even a shred of competence in the Martinez camp, I'd say it boded ill, for Martinez is nothing if not a Bush puppet. Given the lack of competence, I'm not so sure.

"I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so." - Hamas leader Abu Abdullah

If people are unhappy with Martinez and with the other non-conservative things Bush is doing, I can't imagine why they would take a chance on McCain as President. Given all the times he's helped the left, I don't see why anyone would think that McCain would be any more conservative than Bush.

But John McCain was a POW...

It seems to be the Republican cycle of suffering:

(1) Nominate a "moderate" republican candidate because he is "electable", ignoring his past history of left-leaning because of hope that he will turn out for the best
(2) Curse how liberal the moderate politician turned out
(3) Go back to #1 by nominating another moderate, electable candidate

I love where you're coming from. We need to ensure that the long line of RINO failures (Ford...Bush 41...Bush 43) is stopped by nominating...John McCain? Doesn't make much sense. At least someone gets it.
Just Say No To Amnesty: http://www.fairus.org

As noted above, I think not.

Just because someone disagrees with you on 2 issues does not make them a RINO.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

You forget, we had the chance at the more electable McCain in 2000 and dumped him cuz he was too moderate.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

If the universe of GOP Chairmen is limited to Hispanics, I think that Linda Chavez would be tops on my list.

I agree, I like Linda Chavez, even if she supports a limited degree of amnesty. But she is head of the Center For Equal Opportunity which wants to end affirmative action, make English the official language, and encourage assimilation. That just doesn't fit well enough with Bush's grand vision of a borderless continent. As far as amnesty is concerned its all or nothing with Bush. I'm surprised he didn't name Vicente Fox RNC Chair.
Just Say No To Amnesty: http://www.fairus.org

I mean...if competance is not an issue for RNC Chair - who is charged with the political lives of Republicans in 2008 - then surely he is willing to play these games with a next Supreme Court nomination. Hello future justice Connie Callahan.

Good grief.

Let's impeach Dubya now, before this gets any worse. I'm almost willing to let him be dragged before a war crimes tribunal if it will get him out of the White House, pronto.

Bush is ready to unleash on conservatives, after 6 years of getting "crap" from them. He's going to flush the party down the toilet doing it, too.

In a world full of twists and turns, the ultimate twist...is a straight line.

are those who'd rather point fingers and be bitter than get something done.

Those are the same ingrates that are quick to forget that they are paying lower taxes, are safer from terrorists, and have 2 young conservtives on the SCOTUS thanks to Dubya.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

Spitballs?!?! / Yo No Soy Marinero, Soy Capitan

Will you condemn Bush for appointing them too?

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

That is the source of this reaction to the latest Bush outrage.

But she is a liberal.

Let us not forget Bush's track record on appointments.

When you make as many as he does, you are bound to make mistakes, but the fact he has a pretty darn good batting average when it comes to appointments.

RNC chair seems to be more of a figurehead anyway. It is a good place for a token appointment.

Now if he were made NRSC chair, I'd be worried.

Liddy Dole sux and our Senate fortunes are indicative of that.

I would like to see Coburn or someone else with a brain in that role.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

"We could have had a dirty machine politico, who may make us all cringe a little at what he's willing to countenance, but who is used to the odd knifefight with a K-Bar and a rusty razor, and who could help us work our way back into the majority."

"I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so." - Hamas leader Abu Abdullah

Or at least, no one I'm willing to admit I was thinking of. I was speaking in general.

This is sort of like how I had no lobotomized sea lion in particular in mind.

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

"I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so." - Hamas leader Abu Abdullah

The same RNC who threw away untold treasure preserving a sacred RINO in Rhode Island? The same RNC that supported Arlen Spector against his primary challenger? Could these resources have put Burns or Allen over the top?

We have to understand that as it currently stands, the RNC is part of the problem. It is where the country club Republicans live and breath.

I for one swore off the RNC almost 15 years ago. I return their mail unopened. Rather, I find the candidates I believe in and contribute directly to them. I know that leaves something to be desired, but is preferable to the thought of even one thin dime of my hard earned pay making its way to to a Chafee.

Michael Steele taking over may have brought me back. Martinez? I think not. Will have to continue to work for individual candidates now.

So far, the lesson(s) from the election have not been learned. Today's announcement is evidence of that.

I love the drama, honestly I wish there was live video feed so I could see you all ripping out your hair and shredding your clothes and crying out for justice. GET A GRIP! Ken Mehlman was an incredibly smart man and that didn't help us any this election. I highly doubt that the RNC chairman makes any difference whatsoever, other than reaching out to groups that have not historically voted republican...almost like Hispanics...wow...I just blew my own mind. Take it easy! JEESH!

International Affairs is just Political Science with an accent.

I care about the fact that a man with no two connected brain cells, who represents everything we've been doing wrong, has just been chosen the head of the National Committee, and is off to be our public face, and who just got stuck with more levers than he should ever be allowed to confront.

Want a Hispanic in the spot? There are millions more qualified than he. Want a Cuban? A Catholic? A former plaintiff's lawyer? Someone whose accent is Southern along the I-4 Corridor and points north, and Cuban down in Miami? A dime a dozen with active intelligence.

This is merely cruddy cronyism.

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

Look, like I said, RNC chairmen is just one of those jobs tht doesnt matter. Kinda like Sec of Education. Perfect place for a token.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

Ken Mehlman is brilliant and the election did go bad.

If Mel Martinez had been party chairman this year, the GOP would have taken a MAJOR bloodbath. Retaking the Congress in 2008 would not even be a possibility.

Right now, it is. Or at least it was. Mel Martinez at the RNC is not going to help matters.

During his 2004 campaign, Martinez was going on about how he opposed amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens... but after he was elected he voted for S2611.

Thanks, George.

need more proof
Just Say No To Amnesty: http://www.fairus.org

Add something of substance or take a hike.

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

I thought it was pretty substantive.
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?

Why destroy the gift that keeps on giving? Thank you, EliWho, for some rare honesty from the Left.

The White House seems intent on getting rid of all border-security supporters from any position of leadership. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear later today that Bush is supporting Chris "King of Amnesty" Cannon to be House Minority Leader.
Just Say No To Amnesty: http://www.fairus.org

as to what is so wrong with Sen Martinez (the junior senator from my state). Now, he's not my favorite GOPer and I would have preferred McCollum (who ran against him in the GOP Senate primary in 04) but other than the embarrassingt memo leaked during the Schiavo fiasco I cannot think of anything particularly wrong with him, nor have I heard Red-staters howl so plaintively against him before this.

And McCollum is a moron.

See here. And read anything I've written here about him.

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

Everyone, add another four years to your "when we'll retake the Congress" calculus.

Lets face it party chairman is a fundraising post. Mehlman was infinitely more competent than Howard Dean but the dems won. Martinez is still significantly better than Dean.

but I have to admit that I know little about him. I realize his error with the Schiavo tragedy was dumb, and his election margin was pathetically small for a Hispanic in Florida. Those are not good signs. Can anyone else tell me more about his record? I personally would have preffered Steele, he rana great campaing in Maryland and is very good at articulating the conservative agenda.

And now a non-entity will be leading and controlling the levers of the entire Republican Party aparatus. That is a sad, sad commentary.

Our fortunes of taking back everything in 2008 just got a little dimmer. We're going to have to have phenomenal NRCC and NRSC chairmen to compensate for Martinez's shortcomings like the Democrats had to do this year with Dean.

Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, Linda Chavez, Rick Santorum, George Allen, Tom DeLay, or even Lynn Cheney - these are all much more skilled politicians who are much better at running and winning elections than Mel Martinez who has only run a single statewide campaign. Well, Allen was a great NRSC chairman even if his own campaign was rather abysmal. But these are people who knows what it takes. Mel Martinez does not know what it takes.

This is just completely dumbfounding.

I know I'm in unfamiliar territory here, but Martinez can't be appointed to the post, he has to be elected. According to the RNC rules, anyone can stand for election:

A chairman and a co-chairman of the opposite sex who shall be elected by the members of the Republican National Committee. Except as otherwise ordered by a majority of the members of the Republican National Committee present and voting on the matter, the chairman and the co-chairman shall be full-time, paid employees of the Republican National Committee. The chairman shall be the chief executive officer of the Republican National Committee. The chairman or co-chairman may be removed from office only by a two-thirds (2/3) vote of the entire Republican National Committee.

So, if you don't like Martinez, why not try to get someone else?

Again let the open borders crowd know how you feel:

Wall Street Journal:
wsj.ltrs@wsj.com

Weekly Standard:
editor@weeklystandard.com

RNC - National
202.863.8500 press 1

It's not like the guy can break things or do any more damage than anyone else. And it's not the party apparatus that's going to right things; it's the elected officials.

Besides, at least the Prez didn't bring back daddy's chairman, Rich Bond.

Most folks don't know that.

More importantly, do we want this moron doing fundraising?

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

It is a FACE. Not a mind. A FACE.

That is all that matters. It is just like Micheal J. Fox. He is a face. It doesn't matter if he is wrong. People see a face and sympathize.

People will see a WASP in charge or the DNC and a Latino in charge of the RNC and will assume that wee are the more inclusive party.

Even though it sux that we have to go after such stupid voters, we do. They are the "swing" voters that often sway elections.

"Life is too short, can't we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?"

My problem is, was, and remains that he's a moron. I do not want him opening his mouth, or exercising what we could laughably call his mental faculties, on our collective behalf.

I see you've bloggyhorsed your way all over this comment thread about how everyone's gonna love seeing a Hispanic in the RNC Chair. I'm curious: How are they gonna feel about a moron there? Because if the point of all this is merely to have any given Hispanic in that spot, we had millions from whom to choose, dumb, average, brilliant. We chose a moron, and I'm accordingly intrigued at how that's going to look as our public face. (In other words, while they'll see the face, some will even hear the words that come out of the face, too.)

Please, cry forth from your bloggyhourse and share.

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Even those who learn from history are surrounded by those doomed to repeat it.

Call the RNC and leave a polite but firm message.

202 863 8500, option 1.

...if you consider that the WSJ and the Weekly Standard crew are touting this election as partially lost on border enforcement and a drop in Republican Hispanic support. Assuming that's received wisdom in the administration, what's the obvious solution:

"Hey, let's show our sensitivity and jam a Hispanic in as party spokesman!"

Spitballs?!?! / Yo No Soy Marinero, Soy Capitan

Good thing Martinez is being tapped for a job that's all style and no substance in itself.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

You really have to have negative intelligence or reverse political IQ to name Mel. Maybe Mel is going to do both jobs. But is Mel dumb enough to give up his Senate seat? Then he's too dumb for the job of RNC chief!

Unless Crist is going to appoint Jeb Bush to succeed Mel.

But that would appear a bit cynical, n'est-ce pas?

 
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