Russ wants to censure the President.
(I know _we_ would have a blast!)
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Well, 83% of the "GOP Insiders" who took part in tomorrow's "National Journal Insiders Poll" think a public vote on Russ Feingold's bratty "CENSURE BUSH, MAAAN" resolution will ultimately benefit Republicans. Thirteen-percent think it will hurt the party. This word is from Hotline On Call, of course.
The idea is that, while Republicans look at the White House with varying degrees of frustration or (Hotline's word) "antipathy," a vote on Russ's censure motion will unify GOP Senators and the party base behind the President.
“This is the real slam dunk—exact tonic for an ailing GOP base.”
Someone somewhere whose name I will not reveal once said: "Well that's, er, very interesting, because, er, I am, in fact, made entirely of wood."
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Harry Reid will not let this happen, unless Mitch takes a chance and forces the issue. (I wouldn't do it, were I him.)
Many Democrats worry that the measure would look more like an empty gesture and just feed the perception that the Democrats can’t stop the war or make progress on other issues. “Pass some meaningful legislation first to show people you are delivering on their needs before you are seen as playing politics,” said one Democratic Insider. But others assert that the more they talk about Iraq, the better the party’s political prospects.
Um, Mr. "Democratic insider," you are playing politics. The resolution was designed to be a Chuckie Schumer DSCC fundraising tool, though I assume Chuckie himself is too smart to have signed off on it. (One never knows, though. …)
The Democratic insiders surveyed by National Journal pretty much agree with their Republican insiders counterparts, in that 70% think Russ's best intentions will hurt their party and only 28% (the anti-Bush hardcore) think it will help.
I think the Democrats would come out of a vote on this portrayed by the media as serious patriots struggling with this crisis, agonizing on how to end this madness. We'd have fun with it, though.
If it does come to a vote, I would offer Arlen Specter $50 if he'd plead Scottish Law again except that would be seen as a bribe. That kind of thing is best left to the lefty special interests.
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Despite the obvious overstating and exageration in your little litany you have the kernel of a valid point. There have been many Republican screwups and some Republican wrong doers.
However, I do not see any improvement with the Democrats at all. William Jefferson is still in the house, as is Mr. Indicted for bribery Murtha. They have done absolutely nothing since taking power except pass an unneeded minimum wage hike and embark on an endless fishing expedition to do waht they have always tried to do, turn policy disagreements into legal proceedings.
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Sure could have fooled me. I haven't read so much hate, of Americans. since I read John Kerry speech to the Senate, on 22 Apr 1971. The speech where he admitted he had met with America's enemies and was supporting them in their war against America.
Want a list of the criminals from the Clinton Administration.
Want to see results of liberal policies. 5 million plus American children killed since the start of the Iraq War
Liberal policies bring only death and defeat to America.
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"Want to see results of liberal policies. 5 million plus American children killed since the start of the Iraq War."
Pagar, how about expanding on that weird and entirely unsubstantiated claim?
Anyway, I'm back, after being banned from the site, without notice, apparently for the crime of being a liberal. Some democratic free speech forum you have here. We'll see how long I last this time. Anyway as for William Jefferson, I was hoping to heck he would lose in the primaries there in Louisiana and be out of the picture. He's obviously corrupt and shouldn't be in congress. Nancy Pelosi stripped him of his committe assignments and I'm sure wishes he would resign, but she can't just kick him out. But I guess we Democrats have to have one token corrupt politican.
And by the way, the one reason that the Democrats have had a hard time passing legislation is because the Republicans, who tried to get rid of the fillibuster when they were in control, are now using it to kill everything that moves. I saw a graph recently showing that they are approaching having fillibustered more bills than any previous session of congress, despite the fact that we're barely a quarter of the way into this one. That, my friends, is called hypocrisy. But now the Dems are making some pretty good progress because they've come up with stuff that the Repubs. can't in good conscience even vote against, let alone fillibuster, so they're headed in the right direction.
And I'm not sure why you would say that the $5.15 minimum wage didn't need a raise, unless you really don't give a crap if people live in poverty; which is probably the case.
I'm back, after being banned from the site, without notice, apparently for the crime of being a liberal. Some democratic free speech forum you have here. We'll see how long I last this time.
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This one belongs in the troll Hall of Fame.
Wm Jefferson is the token corrupt Dem. Ha.
Pelosi tried to get rid of him, but couldn't. Ha. Ha. [Now this was before or after she tried and failed to get him on Homeland Security?]
"He's obviously corrupt and shouldn't be in congress." Did you mean Jefferson? Or Murtha? Or Hastings? Who, pray tell?
We don't mind libs here, sparky. We just like them to be more credible defenders of their positions. Otherwise, the whole exercise is like pulling the wings off flies.
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Last I checked Murtha wasn't charged, indicted, a target or vaguely under investigation, so what's your point? The only point you've revealed here, since you can't come up with much, is that the political corruption is wildly tilted towards the Repubs, although, speaking of holier-than-thou, they claim to be the righteous ones. But Duke Cunningham is in prison, along with Jack Abramoff. Tom Delay is indicted. The FBI is probing Nevada governor Gibbons. David Vitter was screwing whores while preaching family values (sure, Bill Clinton had an affair, but that ain't illegal). Scooter Libby was convicted of four felonies, but won't serve a day thanks to his buddy the prez. Alaskan Senator Stevens is now under criminal investigation, along with AK's congressmen. Mark Foley is a massive perv who ought to be in prison. Attorney General Gonzales is a serial liar, along with Tony Snow. Newt, Rudy, Tom Delay and dozens of other republicans were more than happy to vilify Clinton for his affair, while they were current or past adulterers themselves. And that's just the beginning of the long tale of Republicans taking advantage of their place in power to make themselves and their corporate buddies rich or just have a good time. I'm not saying the Dems are a bunch of angels, there's plenty of corruption everywhere in government. But the republicans seem to have one hell of a knack for not practicing anything vaguely resembling what they preach.
they are all too STUPID to find the Reply To This button underneath each and every post.
Oh, I know, I should be irritated by their hypocrisy. Or their inane hatred for America. Or their subservience to Big Government Nanny-state non-answers to societal problems. Or their holier-than-thou I-know-what-is-best-for-you attitude toward our own civil rights.
But no! It is their basic supidity that rankles the most!
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Hey, give me a break, I'm new to this site. Most of the liberal blogs don't have such high-falootin' (sp?) technology, everyone just comments one after the other in one big long ass column. I admit I like this system here better. But relatively there aren't all that many comments here, either conservatives have less to say or else this site just ain't that popular.....
So, I'm a hypocrite.....you know, I could say you're blue, you're ten feet tall, you don't know jack, you do know jack, you're a retarded toad, but how about offering up a little evidence in the process? That's called critical thinking. Otherwise it's just name-calling.
Again, I'll say that I have nothing resembling hatred for the borders which encompass this particular chunk of land called America. Nor do I even hate our system of government. Considering that it was founded in the backasswards year of 1776, those guys that came up with it were pure geniuses. What I DO have one big stinkin' problem with is those who thwart the otherwise reasonable laws which govern our country.
Dick Cheney isn't part of the executive branch, when he wants to get out from under an executive order and retain complete secrecy about what exactly he's doing as a public servant. But then he's back in the executive branch when he wants to claim executive privilige to avoid being held accountable.
A CIA agent is intentionally outed for the purposes of a smear campaign to keep a lid on their phony rationale for taking us into a madman's war in the Middle East. Come on guys, seriously.....Just flip it around. If it were a Democratic administration that was responsible for outing a CIA agent WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR COVERT OPERATIONS INVOLVING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, then tell me, I dare you, tell me that the Republicans wouldn't be raising bloody hell over it. If you can tell me that they wouldn't really care, then fine. (And yes, she was covert, the CIA confirmed it, she did not request that her husband go on the trip to Niger, not that it would have made any difference anyway, that argument's a red herring, and even Bush acknowledged in his last press conference that his administration was in fact responsible for this taking place). George Bush Sr. said anyone who would reveal a CIA agent was the worst of traitors. They did it. At least acccept that point.
Spying on American citizens. Even flippin' Attorney General John Ashcroft couldn't go through with this one (recall Gonzales' hospital visit to Ashcroft's hospital bed that revealed Gonzales as a lying little weasel). And when John Ashcroft is the voice of reason, you know things are bad.
Torturing prisoners. There's this thing called the Geneva conventions, which we have agreed to and expect everyone else to agree to. The basic concept is that if you're going to torture prisoners of war, you're telling the opposition they might as well go ahead and do it to your own soldiers. Bush didn't even try to change this international law, he just flagrantly broke it and hoped no one would notice. And then he held prisoners indefinitely without seeing daylight for years, no charges, no trials, no rights, nothing. They call them terrorists, but how do they know? I'm sure some are, and the chances are damned good that some aren't. Do you want to live in a country where once you've been accused of a crime, that's it, you're done, locked away in a dungeon, never to see your family again, never to see even a shred of justice, someone just pointed the finger at you and that's it, your life is over? I'm not saying all these guys are innocent, I'm saying they deserve to see the light of day, face a judge and a jury and at least get their habeas corpus rights to know what the hell they're charged with. If you can't even agree that a human being deserves that most fundamental speck of justice, then you're an anarchist, plain and simple.
Anyway I could go on taking up space on this topic, but you get my point. Bush and Co. have zero respect for the rule of law where it doesn't suit their purposes. And mark my words, it's going to get even worse in the next 18 months.
Lastly, I wouldn't be too critical of those commenters you say are holier-than-thou and think they know everything, just read most of your own comments...
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I think they call this "rationalization". You're in dire straights conservatives, when your rallying cry is going to be something about how unjust it is that the president who lied us into a disastrous war, tortured prisoners, illegally spied on Americans, destroyed FEMA, dismantled the justice department, failed our veterans, now wants to veto legislation giving health insurance to children, and is constantly lying to the American people about the situation in Iraq so that he can pass off this failed war to his succesor, that he should be censured for all this and more is going to galvanize the Republican party. You think this is going to win you any seats in congress or the presidency? Check the polls. 45% of America wants Bush impeached. 55% want Cheney impeached. The only president who has been more unpopular is Nixon. You guys need a whole lot more than a supposedly unjust censure resolution to persuade the country in your direction. First, I would recommend that you stop electing people who break the law. Second, you might want to come up with some policies that are actually good for the people of this country, which, by the way, I do not hate.