Redstate

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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.

I don't think the American public would have time to listen to all of them.

You probably need standardized forms, and revolving doors to get the job done.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Nice to see that the Left is now no longer defending their man in Iraq and are now reduced to pointing at others and shrieking "They did it too!!"

George W. Bush: He's A Folder ... Not A Fighter.

He was a blip on the news radar and not worth the trouble. Nobody in the general public paid any attention to him after a couple of days. He was and will be a true nobody with no power to do anything but call attention to himself. (Actually, Redstate is by far the most publicity this guy has gotten other than the original TNR writings. My cynical side tells me that that this is because it gives the pro war crowd a chance to wallow in self righteous indignation, because he really IS just a publicity seeking cretin. If it helps you sleep better at night, go ahead and knock yourselves out with the silly straw man argument that all people who oppose the war are just like him.

On the other hand, the way that our government knowingly used false stories about Pat Tillman to further glorify the Iraq war in the earlier stages is an example of people IN power used falsehoods to change public opinion. It is a worse offense.

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What color is the sky in your world?

Switch the subject and make people argue about something else.

So Tillman's death (a true fact and reported as such from the beginning) under friendly fire (not identified as such up front, but admitted later thru internal investigation) is used to equate the Army (not a news organization, but a war-fighting organization that has to evaluate facts on friendly fire situations that are not clear under most circumstances)

with TNR (a news organization) which created news (and opinion!) by deliberately using a very badly fact-checked story from a very unreliable source.

No sale.

BTW, my sky is blue unless clouds obsure it and the rain makes for a lot of mud on the ground.

1. Stories that are clearly lies, and published in purported high quality journals such as TNR, and are clearly published for sole purpose of defaming the US military as a whole and soldiers in particular, are not a "blip". This comes from the same playbook that Jon Cary used when he accused US soldiers of being war criminals. The purpose of this story is to further undermine the moral and steadfastness of the public. It needs to be refuted and it's purveyors need to be whatever the modern equivalent of tarred and feathered is.

2. Your "self-righteous indignation" comment can be written on a tin bucket, left in the Phoenix sun for a couple of hours and rammed where the sun does not shine. Just where you get off howling about self-righteous indignation when people are pointing out lies supported by shoddy journalism I'll never figure out.

3. Nobody has set up the straw man you toss out. In point of fact, the left - in general - uses the techniques fronted by STB and TNR on a daily basis to discredit the US military. See #1 re: Cary's comments for starters. In the current context, see J.Murtha & D.Durbin comments.

4. Tillman served and was killed in Afghanistan, not Iraq. See my comments below on the difference between TNR and the Army.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

First of all, all of the information related to Tillman has been discovered and released BY THE ARMY. Second, if in fact Tillman was intentionally killed, it will be the Army who gets the details and who will prosecute all involved. Third, with respect to a cover-up, officers and enlisted involved will forfeit - at a minimum - their careers. The Army will clean it's own house, maybe not as fast as you'd like, but they will get the job done nonetheless.

TNR, on the other hand, did an objectively lousy job of fact checking the original stories fronted by STB. Their work would earn the editor of a High School newspaper an "F". After doing a pointedly bad job of fact checking in the first place, they went into full "bury it" mode when they were challenged by people who are familiar with Iraq and the military on issues that just didn't pass the smell test. STB has now, under oath, recanted his stories to the Army investigators and no one has been produced who will support anything he wrote. A representative of the Bradley manufacturer commented that while TNR contacted him, the information they asked for was very general in nature and when questioned about the actual comments by STB, he threw cold water on the stories.

So, on the one hand, we have the Army acting in a responsible (albeit delayed) manner with respect to Tillman's death. On the other hand, we have TNR in full screech that their readily evident pack of lies is true. They are utterly reprehensible. And, let's see if Foer is still employed in a month.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

And as you correctly point out, our military is inherently honest with admirable integrity. In fact,within a few weeks of his death, some in the army had already begun warning the Bush administration that there were questions about the Tillman death. My problem in the case is with the way that the politicians involved in pushing this war went ahead and used information that they knew was doubtful because it helped them sell the war.

As for the TNR-yeah-a bunch of jerks. Who reads them anyway?

I'm all agog to hear.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Of course you have links...

Who reads TNR? Well, for starters, the enemy. And I'm referring to the Left in this country. They are every bit the enemy of this nation that aQ is.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

But it is even more of a juggernaut...

"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction

* This story was made up by an attention-hungry psychopath, but we stand behind it because it fits what we believe.

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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.

and the stories "they stand by"

dumb as a box of rocks.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

The Army investigated and were the ones to uncover what went on (ongoing) as compared to TNR who looked the other way for a LONG time with Stephen Glass (among others) and now STB - his IED lady story was shown to be a lie and he and TNR have admitted that. Hmmmm, seems like the Army has a better track record, I'm sure you'll agree!

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

... (nee clearlyobjective); so bail.

Moe

PS: We got the third one, too.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Brings up a black mark and then just goes for uncertainty instead of a partisan position.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777