Duress Doesn't Work and Other Myths

"ramzi binalshibh cried like a little girl"

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What we do know is that Ramzi Binalshibh and Abu Zubaydah and Kahlid Sheik Mohammed broke under the same tactics used on US military personnel at SERE School. We know that they didn't lie, that they actually spilled their guts, and because of said spillage several terror plots were foiled.

But don't believe me or the President, hear it from a guy who interviewed the interrogators.

UPDATE (by Dan McLaughlin): President Bush and opposition leader John McCain (see, we can have a two-party system without Democrats!) have reached an accord on detainees and possibly on wiretapping as well. Details to follow.


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...despite the fact that not one of those techniques is injurious or life-threatening.

What the Wackjobs have to say about saving thousands of lives with these horrible techniques. At least they don't behead the prisoners. BTW: Do the Geneva Conventions cover beheadings or blowing up civilians, women and children?

...the emotionally unstable "emo" Left loudly weeps about how we're meanies because we degrade murderous jihadists.

Somehow I can't manage an ounce of outrage that coercive interrogation and waterboarding of terrorists saved the tallest building in Los Angeles. Terrorists suffer and whimper – much like my daughter does when I drop her off at first grade – and the city where I live is saved from a major terror attack. That seems like the epitome of moral high ground to me.

"Your audience, which will clap at apparently anything, is frivolous." - Hitchens to Maher

Having seen SERE through both sides of the window I can only think this. There are much worse things than the SERE RTL. If all we did was SERE training stuff and these guys cried and gave it all up, they (the terrorists) impress me less and less.
(I'm not saying SERE is easy. Everyone "breaks").

Kudos to the interogators who used restraint and got the job done. Frankly though, if the soft cell approach didn't work I think more intensive means would have been justified. And more calls of "shame" on the media, who continue to write about conditions, protocols, and honorable men they know nothing about.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" - Defoe

SERE does a very good job at teaching strategies to counter interrogation techniques as well as handling stress (I remember it quite well even though it's been over 25 years since I was 'captured').

I've had the opportunity to speak with interrogators from several countries over the years. The best share the skill of accurately reading people and can adapt to different roles depending on the situation. Pain and discomfort rarely has to be physically intense - it's more effective to work on a prisoner's individual fears. Interrogators do need some tools in order to be effective, and the one's the President is requesting are not excessive. Heck, I think we should be able to go beyond waterboard type routines for special hard cases.

Terrorists are characterized as unlawful combatants under the Geneva Conventions and, as such, can be tried as war criminals. They do not have the protections that lawful combatant POW's have.

Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum

I think I'll blog this.

I always try to deal with my children's discipline using creativity, and the principle that discomfort is in the head. Taking away a favorite toy (whether a rattle or a DVD player) can be more effective than corporal punishment. Similarly, the same amount of force can go into a spanking on the rear end as a pat on the back -- and the message received will be wildly different. Context is everything.

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Evil men hide from the truth, but good men stand upon it.

 
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