Israel In The Crossfire...Again
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We've heard Iran's President and his diatribe about Israel often enough to get the basic point: "We want Israel to go away, and we want to "own" the Middle East." We know he plans on having nukes, regardless his strained denials and insistences to the contrary. There's really no reason to even attempt to convince ourselves there is anything BUT hostile intentions despite all the Democrats running for President who promise to be open minded (and, in Obama's case actually sit DOWN with these lunatics for a mocha latte and cookies) and look for a peaceful relationship with them.
Now, apparently, Lebanese Lunatic Nasrallah wants a piece of that action as well:
"The disappearance of Israel is an inevitable fact. It is an historical process in the region which will come to an end in several years.
I wonder...does the reference to "several years" fall solely to coincidence in the larger context of Iran's nuke program? We are to believe as much, apparently.
Our Democrat Presidential wannabes refuse to look at the reality of what Iran would do were they to have this capability. Obama has even gone so far as to promise open talks without pre-conditions. How do you think that conversation will go?
BO: Are you going to launch nuclear weapons against Israel and wipe them from the face of the earth?
MA: Of COURSE not. We are a peaceful people.
BO: You PROMISE?
MA: Of COURSE. You can trust us...always...to tell you the truth.
BO: Cool-pass the cream and sugar please? You gonna eat that cookie?
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Iran's building them, despite their vehement denials, and they are quite sure they have every good and righteous reason to USE them against Israel when the time comes. As history has shown, the Democrats will wait and wait and wait...and they'll react to this problem AFTER the mushroom cloud begins to dissipate over the Dead Sea...with a few "oopsies" and a couple of "my bad" press conferences for good measure.
God help them...and the rest of the Muslim world that surrounds Israel. It's one thing to lose a few Jihadists to the collateral damage of a bomb vest. They don't know enough, or care, that millions of them will go down along with Israel when Mahmoud presses the button. Apparently suicide bombing on such a scale appears to be a REALLY wicked cool idea in the minds of the martyrs, or they haven't thought this through well enough to recognize there will be no one left to RULE the region when the smoke clears. Either way, this is a very bad situation that IS going to get a whole lot worse.
The only consolation, what little of it there is, rests with Israel itself. They, at least, will not sit around "hoping" Lebanon, Syria, and Iran are telling the truth...THEY are prepared to actually DO something about it before it's too late. Meanwhile, our Democrat Presidential hopefuls tune their fiddles.
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Can you imagine the influence such uberliberals are going to have in an Obama administration? He's going to need advice and help because he isn't going to know what the hell is going on. As my wife says, "We don't need a President with the training wheels still on."
I can imagine banners with Obama's big smiling face whipping in the wind from countless balconies and draped across city halls nationwide. Obama Youth Brigades marching, swooning, and crying over their messiah. Hippies with no deodorant goosestepping through D.C. Official visits and summits with Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez, and Assad. A new America? Yes, we can...
"Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely and who rely on you in return."-Senator McCain
I just ran into a hard core unionized teacher. She is on the board of the local union.
Her take on this race was very telling.
If Obama gets the nom, she is voting McCain.
She thinks Obama has a terrible position on education, and she does not at all like that he came out of a madras school system.
I was astonished.
This race will be much more complex than I imagined.
is a bit of a moderate, but always, always votes Democrat. She voted for Clinton, Gore, and Kerry, but for the first time she said she will vote for a Republican for President. She likes McCain and despises Obama. If she will vote Republican then anything is possible!
"Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely and who rely on you in return."-Senator McCain
I am a lurker primarily, but thought germane to post on this subject. My mother is a passionate red hatter. While my mother is conservative, her fellow red hatters are primarily democrat. To a one of them, they will not vote for Obama, and one of them believe he's the anti-christ.
I am not sure i'd go quite that far, but it does afford some insight into long time dems who will vote McCain.
One last question to you all. If Obama has such momentum throughout the electorate, why doesn't he poll better in the head to head polls with McCain. It would seem to me he should be dusting him at present. Our side hasn't even begun to vet this guy. I am not so sure he's as unbeatable as the MSM would have us believe.
"To believe in nothing is to believe in everything. To believe in everything is to believe in nothing"
One day I look at the Messiah quality of his campaign and I am sure that he is the anti-Christ. Then I look at Hillary and the way she is able to manipulate the MSM and public opinion and I become convinced that SHE is the anti-Christ. Then former president Clinton will go out there and his followers swoon over his rhetoric and I just KNOW that he is the anti-Christ.
The only way to be sure, I am afraid, is to examine all three for the 666 tattooed somewhere on their body. :-)
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I believe my mother's friend is actually serious about believing Obama to be the anti-Christ. Personally the dude scares me eneogh just being a radical liberal. Be afraid, very afraid!!
"To believe in nothing is to believe in everything. To believe in everything is to believe in nothing"
"The disappearance of Israel is an inevitable fact. It is an historical process in the region..."
Underneath the black turban lies a brain and a man who took on the IDF and lived to brag about it. Nasrallah just reads the Israeli newspapers. He knows that the way things are going there he and/or Iran won't have to lift a finger to make Israel vanish. Give Olmert and his clique of incompetent clowns enough time (which Israel's inert populace is doing) and Presto!, Israel will arrange for its own "disappearance."
Dan Friedman
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MA is actually quite explicit in his hatred of Israel, so I think the conversation would sound something like this...
(In a future debate.)
BO: Now don't you fret. When I'm through, Iran won't threaten Israel anymore. I can be very, _very_ persuasive.
(Scene change to BO and MA in Iran)
BO: You don't really want to destroy Israel, do you?
MA: Yes.
BO: But if we give you money and weapons, and Israel is nice to you, you would be willing to stop threatening Israel, right?
MA: No
BO: But even though you want to destroy Israel, you still like and respect the Jewish people, right?
MA: No.
BO: (whining) C'mon, please stop threatening Israel and the Jews!
MA: No.
BO: (pleading) I'll be your friend?
MA: No.
BO: Aw, you're mean! Well, can we be friends anyway?
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You completely undermine any pretense of authenticity you wish to create by tacking on snarky remarks like, "and, in Obama's case actually sit DOWN with these lunatics for a mocha latte and cookies." Mocha Latte and Cookies? He never said that. Nothing of the sort. It's juvenile plain and simple and, frankly, unbefitting RedState.org. Besides, personally speaking, I'd rather have a President putting out a message that he/she is accessible than one who, like some spoiled 5-year-old, makes a list of demands and concessions that must be met before he'll even consider TALKING with someone.
I'm not saying that Iran has noble intentions - far from it - but bombing our way to a peaceful planet strikes me as more than just a little psychotic.
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It was the Iranians who thumbed their nose at all diplomacy when they violated the sanctity of our embassy and took hostages.
What kind of moron deals with perverts who tie up diplomats?
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In 1979, The Ayatollah had the support of many more people. Things have changed. You have a very large, very educated, very pro-Western population in Iran now. Do you really want another Iraq? Hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children dead? More enmity against the U.S. (If that's even possible.)
Oh, and what kind of moron invades a country that posed absolutely no threat to the U.S. - thereby squandering untold resources in the real fight against Al Queada without having any sort of Plan B if things were to go wrong?
But, please, let's not take an honest difference of opinion and degenerate it into a war of words. (e.g. the use of "moron.")
Please, keep it civil. It's THE reason I enjoy visiting this site on a regular basis. And I am a VERY liberal Independent from California. :)
Victor
The Ayatollahs don't have to stand for election. Their flunky Presidents don't become better negotiating partners becuase of the flick of a poll.
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...who clearly blames us for every innocent murdered by a terrorist in Iraq.
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color me shocked! Maybe you should enjoy this site without posting inanities.
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So what's your point? Shut-up and and do as I say because I don't agree with you. And if you don't agree with me then what I say is an "inanity?" You're never going to change minds with that strategy.
Again, anger and venom.
That would imply that we considered you worth converting in the first place.
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Paris, you're assuming that MA wants to change. It's foolishness to not look at this man's words and not draw some very logical conclusions. He states that he wants Israel removed from earth. I take him at his word.
To sit down with him on his terms is to reward his contemptible behavior. A behavior I add that could precipitate a World War.
It amuses me that many objected to President Bush saying to the terrorists, "Bring it on!" The New York Slimes had a seizure over it. Yet, MA talks about soon Israel will disappear. I just don't see the equivalent outrage.
"To believe in nothing is to believe in everything. To believe in everything is to believe in nothing"
And so, the French position is now heard from on Redstate.
I know, I know, it's juvenile, plain and simple and, frankly, unbefitting RedState.org. But forgive us, for unlike you, we have a sense of humor. (Hint - no one actually thinks that this scene would actually occur - Obama doesn't even like mocha lattes and cookies!)
BTW, I would also think that, according to your own logic, saying the President is like a spoiled 5-year-old, is also juvenile. But at least you aren't calling for his death, like many of the leftwingers do, so I will take it as progress.
Seriously, how do you expect to engage in thoughtful conversation by starting out by attacking me? Or, maybe, you're not interested in thoughtful conversation. I don't know. And to tell you the truth, I'm not sure I even know what that means, "the French position." Are you suggesting I'm suggesting appeasement? I'm not. I don't really know how to respond.
And the difference between me calling someone a spoiled 5-year old and a condescending reference to "lattes and cookies" is that I'm not a professional journalist who is being paid to represent a well-respected blog.
or are you a different paris?
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In response to your complaints:
* I believe you started attacking, my friend, and clearly you have not stopped. Calling us a bunch of juveniles is an attack. Now we are not thoughtful.
*There is no difference, and I am not a professional journalist. (Not sure the directors of this blog are either.) This is just a silly argument to make.
*The French was a play on your nickname, and the fact that you take the usual "French position" - i.e., you call for diplomacy first and last and always.
BTW, I am not all that impressed by your own thoughtful arguments. You seem to imply that all of us who ridicule Obama want to bomb Iran back into the stone age. I, for one, have never said that. I would say, however, that it is irresponsible to make the statement that an attack on Iran is off the table, which I believe both Hillary and Obama have done. (I assume you agree with them.) We should always be able to use both the carrot and the stick in our dealings with other nations; otherwise, we weaken our nation and make wars more likely.
PS: You really do seem to be humorically challenged. I am offended most by that.
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Is espresso and vanilla wafers less offensive to your delicate sensibilities?
No Preconditions means no incentive to change and it treats tyrants and tyrannical states on equal footing with democratic governments whose power is given to them upon the consent of the governed. Until Ahmadinejad stops supporting terrorism, stops trying to destabilize the region by developing nuclear weapons, and stops with his insane support for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jewish people, then he should not expect to be treated as an equal nor does he deserve any recognition whatsoever.
Also, Ahmadinejad has no desire to change and so talks with him without preconditions are nothing but publicity stunts, for him, and a way to delay any worldwide opposition so that he can continue unabated towards his ultimate goal, a nuclear weapon. He'll say, "hold, hold, hold, hold" until he achieves his aim, all the while naive "leaders" like Obama would continue to think they are making progress b/c Ahmadinejad consents to talks and negotiations. These type of people are called "useful idiots" for a reason.
Norman Podheretz said it best:
Well, to begin with, there is that good old standby, diplomacy. And so, for three-and-a-half years, even pre-dating the accession of Ahmadinejad to the presidency, the diplomatic gavotte has been danced with Iran, in negotiations whose carrot-and-stick details no one can remember—not even, I suspect, the parties involved. But since, to say it again, Ahmadinejad is a revolutionary with unlimited aims and not a statesman with whom we can “do business,” all this negotiating has had the same result as Munich had with Hitler. That is, it has bought the Iranians more time in which they have moved closer and closer to developing nuclear weapons.
This is common sense, something which the naive, appeasing Left are in short supply.
"Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely and who rely on you in return."-Senator McCain
Except that Hitler had the support of many of his people. He was sort of a Reagan in that he made his countrymen proud of Germany again so the comparison isn't quite fair.
"Is espresso and vanilla wafers less offensive to your delicate sensibilities?"
Yet again, more anger and venom. You, rightly or wrongly, perpetuate the stereotype that people on the right side of politics can only do one thing well: assassinate a person's character. Did you really have to add that to make your point?
God, how you must have danced at the news of Ronnie's death. Once you confirmed it, of course.
Blam.
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They purely hate that. :)
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we'll always have Paris...
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"Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely and who rely on you in return."-Senator McCain
I would ask you on a more personal level the following. Would you sit down and have a discussion with someone who threatened to wipe your family off the planet. Not just once, but many times?
I know I wouldn't. Personally, I would hope to obliterate him at the most. I would certainly have cool relations at the least.
Obama in naive and arrogant. Mr. Neville Chamberlin thought the same of Hitler and where did it get him. History repeats itself, and I fear it's doing it again.
"To believe in nothing is to believe in everything. To believe in everything is to believe in nothing"
Hello Paris-I had a chance to see you were interested in an article I wrote recently at Redstate.Org (of course, it's actually Redstate.com, but why quibble?).
I don't know how old you are, what your gender is, and which party you consider yourself most likely to support in the upcoming General Election...but since you appear to be unfamiliar with me or my positions or my "style" of writing, I would like to make SURE you understand that I just don't flipping care about you or how much contempt you might hold for my childish and snarky and unbefitting-of-Redstate antics vis a vis Politicians.
See, Paris, as an older male American Conservative, I look at our politicians as if they were MY employees...(which-fyi-they are) and having been in Management for 30 years of my professional life, I pay special attention to those that have NOT met the goals and expectations I set forth when they were hired. Also, as my employees, I consider them in the light of expendable resources, investments, depreciating assets, and overhead.
Oh-I have no respect for them when they choose NOT to do their jobs, I have no patience with those who insist they are here FOR me...given they are really here BECAUSE of me...and I will treat them as poorly, sarcastically, snarkily, or negatively...to the extent they have asked for such treatment based on their job performance...as I CARE to.
Folks (maybe you, maybe not) who consider Obama as some rock star, or pop-icon, or groupie idol to throw themselves at the feet of, deserve no adult treatment...
ps-get over it-there are bad guys that want to kill good guys, and cream puffs always get slapped aside first...and Obama wants you to believe there is peace and love and group hugs just around the corner...once he's sworn in. When Iran or Lebanon attacks Israel...your Obama is going to be singing a new tune. If it's on the flip side of a nuke, we're ALL going to be singing a different tune.
Have a happy day.
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I particularly like the reminder that politicians are our employees rather than our being their chattel.
which you can put your head in the sand.
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I just can't see Hillary, for all her faults, making the same foreign policy blunders and disasters I see in a potential Obama Presidency.
He is naive, uninformed, and plain stuck on stupid in regards to foreign policy. Or, as my grandmother would say, he's so dumb he couldn't teach a hen to cluck. He said he would invade Pakistan, our ally (for now) in the war against radical Islamists. He said he would sit down WITH NO PRECONDITIONS with brutal, terrorist-loving leaders like Ahmadinejad or Communist oppressors like Raul Castro. He said he would order an immediate withdrawal from Iraq regardless of conditions on the ground, the advice of his generals, or the catastrophic consequences to Iraq and the Middle East after doing so.
On the military he is, again, stuck on stupid. Our potential CinC has no concept of ammo specifications, military organization, or military tactics at even the platoon level. I don't mean that our President should have the military understanding of a general (LBJ thought he did and we see where that got him), but he should at least understand basic concepts and be able to choose between fact and fiction. You could tell him that a HMMWV can sprout wings and fly backwards in time and he wouldn't know any different.
But, he talks purty and that's all the matters, even though we now know that those purty words are borrowed from other orators. Hands down, he will probably be the least qualified top-tier candidate for President in our history. That is sad, tragic, and frightening.
"Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely and who rely on you in return."-Senator McCain