Let's All Remember Not To Question Their Patriotism
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The American people, if we can believe the polling, have decided to believe General Petraeus, despite MoveOn.Org's attempted smear job.
So, how is the left responding?
Simple.
They are calling into question General Petraeus's bronze star and whether he really has earned all the medals he wears.
That's right, according to the left, General Petraeus is a liar and a fraud. According to one DKos (surprised?) poster, General Petraeus did not deserve the medal and so if it was really given to him, it had to be a GOP job to boost his credibility.
Now, you may say this is just one poster, but browse through the comments.
Here's a fun one:
Fillet us Petraeus we have other fish to fry
We all witnessed the outcry about MoveOn's ad. Can you imagine the outrage over attempting to point (discredit, defame in their words) the almighty, Saint Petraeus? Bush has built him up as a hero. Military brass cannot be questioned or dishonored, apparently even if they deserve it.
I was born in a military hospital and my dad didn't retire from the military until I was in college. Uniforms with metals are part of the military culture -- and LYING is also part of the military culture. However, lying about one of the highest metals given is NOT acceptable -- EVER.
The guy needs to be discredited -- and people need to be educated about the significance of a chest full of metals.
But let's not question their patriotism.
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"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
your last kos commenter is into some heavy "metal".
They would have to have a speck of patriotism left anymore for me to question it.
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We've done the same thing to half a dozen Democrat veterans. They have to learn sometime...
Do you happen to have any cite for you "half dozen Democratic veterans"? And you can leave Jon Cary off the list, his medals were questioned by the guys he served with.
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John Kerry. The Right didn't just question one of his medals. They questioned and outright challenged all of them. The Silver Stars, the Bronze Medal, the Purples Hearts.
I think it is fairly disgusting that they are challenging Gen. Patraeus's service. But that's Pandora's Box was opened long ago.
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy
Hey, nobody tell him! I wanna see if he figures it out on his own. :)
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I'm not that smart.
I'm guessing this is some sort of lead-in shot towards Kerry? If so it neither bothers me much or changes my point.
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy
But why don't you ask yourself whats different about the challenges. Its usually much better when you can reach the conclusion yourself.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Just that equating this with the Swift Boats thing implicitly concedes that the motivation for opposing Petraeus - and, by a reasonable expansion, current war strategy - is primarily political in nature. We've waited quite some time for our domestic opposition to stop pretending that they're against this [war] for something besides partisan political maneuvering; and, thanks to the Daily Kos, you've walked right into that particular doorknob at full tilt.
:holding up hands: Hey, blame them. They're the ones that opened Pandora's Box.
;)
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Why would it be acceptable to do this to discredit a political candidate, but not acceptable to do this to discredit a military leader? Motive seems irrelevant to whether one would condone this method of attacking a person, so I don't understand how comparing use of a method would necessarily concede that the comparison is also equating the motive for using the method.
Why would it be acceptable to do this to discredit a political candidate, but not acceptable to do this to discredit a military leader?
Politicians give orders, soldiers take them.
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While I won't claim to speak for anyone else and their motivations, I certainly DON'T accept your logic.
General Patreaus has chosen to become a political player. One could say he accepted that role the moment he took the job. Personally I think he accepted the role when he agreed to present oral testimony to Congress.
All is fair in nuclear war and politics.
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy
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Kerry was in Cambodia on Christmas, no wait it was in February or March, probably St Valentine's Day or St Patrick's Day.
Kerry's testimony in the Senate, you know the one, was played back to American prisoners. General Petreaus's testimony ??
Kerry visited North Vietnam in wartime, so when is the General going to sympathize with terrorist leaders face to face ?
The one about Petreaus accepting the assignment, hence being political is hot stuff. A change in tactics is political ?
If he had accepted an assignment to organize a withdrawal to Okinawa that then would not be political?
Or would you have preferred we not change tactics, which I guess would also not be political. Or he could have refused to testify and present information to Congress, also not political?
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
I am NOT equating John Kerry to General Patraeus. Let's put that silly notion to the side.
And whether you completely agree with the attacks on John Kerry or not doesn't change what they did.
The Swift Boat Vets were a POLITICAL organization. They filed as a 527. Their actions were political in nature. Whether you think they are a bunch of swell fellas and Move On a bunch of swine doesn't change the fact that both groups acted politically.
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy
And are you the same flyerhawk who posted "I can think of one"? I would daresay if you wish not to equate you ought not to bring Kerry's name up. But if you wish to slip and slide over to comparisons between the Swift Boat vets and Moveon the differences still hold. They don't change with the groups. The comparisons remain odious, the Swift Boat people still served in war [ one of them was a Medal of Honor recipient], the Moveon scummers still called the General a traitor, and I'd wager that most or all of those same scummers voted for Kerry.
Maybe because he was in Cambodia on Christmas, or St Valentines Day, or was it St Patrick's.
Realizing that it's no use let me point out that the Swifties were a 527 in no way touches upon or should even insinuate that what Petraeus testified was political, a political act, or the idiotic notion that he became magically political when he led a change of tactics in Iraq.
I seem to have read that somewhere.
You have to work on your bobbing and weaving my friend.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
First the obvious
The swift boat vets served with Kerry in the theater he claimed his heroism from. They had a problem with kerry for over 30 years. Kerry self promoted his heroism, and claimed we should elect him in part because of it.
Moveon, Dailkykos et all, served where ? Petraeus self promoted what ? Their reason for mounting the attack ? The report did not come out the way they counted it would ? It also seems they were for him before they were against him.
Finally you tacitly acknowledge that this is garbage and you are willing to put aside what little principle you may posses
"All is fair in nuclear war and politics."
You'd hardly take that position if you felt this was justified.
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Kerry self promoted his heroism, and claimed we should elect him in part because of it.
In part? Almost entirely.
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He could speak french
If he was elected the world would like us again
And the optional
Republicans are all poopy heads so there.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Whether or not he should be wearing the medal, this criticism does not target anything other than his honor.
DKos, fwiw, seems to think that the public does not support Bush's war, even after petraus.
Notwithstanding that even the /question/ that officers get more medals than GIs is enough for me to call for an impartial commission to give out the medals.
The practical aim of this smear, of course, is to hijack current war policy to serve a partisan Democratic agenda. Really, the more I think about it the more pleased I get that our esteemed domestic opponents are finally getting tired of pretending that their motives were ever otherwise.
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"required by statute" is the phrase you are searching for. The statute that required the report be made, required Petraeus and Crocker to deliver the report in person.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
You got me Jeff. How could I possibly have written medal rather than star? Clearly that invalidates my entire point.
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
in war time a bronze medal is usually made from marble
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
As I noted above, Kerry's medals were not initially questioned by "The Right". They were questioned by the guys who served in his unit, with him. I will freely admit that it is a "he said, he said" with respect to his medals, I do think it's fair to note that Kerry wrote the "after action reports" and the medal recommendations for every one of his awards. I find that a tad fishy.
But again, to the point, Kerry's medals were challenged by the guys he served with. Guys who were actually in the actions where Kerry's medals were awarded. That can't be said of Kos posters who are whining about Petraeus' Bronze Star.
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was coined by the 101st, I believe. (and repeated multiple times on blackhawk.net a servicemen blog that's far from lefty).
You mind if they use that? ;-)
I googled balckhawk.net - no hits
Googled blackhawk.com - military equipment supplier
Try a new story.
esteemed poster above undoubtedly meant
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/11/generals_of_yes.html
as such was already blogged about on a blog that repeatedly crossposts on here, and which Hisoka reads.
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...never mind. What can I say to you that could be worse than a contemplation of that list, and its implications?
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There are fine organizations out there dedicated to unmasking fake SEALs and Congressional "Metal" of Honor awardees, so I'm sure if Petraeus had something he didn't earn we'd have already heard about it. Gosh knows George Soros has the money to do the investigating. Why Petraeus would be so foolish is beyond belief. Besides, in his testimony his uniform didn't look good he had so much going on. He should have done an Eisenhower and went with a single bar of ribbons. Very classy.
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...I have to admit, I'm curious (just not in what they wanted me to be curious about). You see, I've never believed that the Right side of the 'sphere actually has infiltration units - moderating this site tends to drive home the fact that people just aren't as good as they think they are at pretending to root for the Other Side - but the potential hit to both dKos' reputation and its ability to effectively function if this doesn't pan out perfectly for them is staggering. So much so that I ... do not believe that it's a setup; but neither will I be surprised if it is.
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than to come up with a workable strategy for Iraq. I think it is just that simple. Democrats don't know what to do with Iraq, so they just want to complain about the current approach.
Whadda ya say?
Pay the man for his plan, is what i'd advise (from all that he's said with BO lately, it involves heavy doses of diplomacy and military might strategically applied).
He got us into and out of the former yugoslavia, wrote the plan for afghanistan.
Please refresh our recollections.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
It also would appear that it is easier to criticize MoveOn's ad than come up with a workable strategy for Iraq.
Where are the polls that suggest the American people were convinced by Petraeus's testimony? I haven't seen anything to suggest that is the case.
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I couldn't follow any of the links you posted to the dKos story and comments. Every single time I attempted to open a link, my browser seized up. Cross my heart and hope to die, in all my years of tinkering with computers (the first ones had electron tubes in them), I have never experienced anything like this. My Anti-Virus must be better then I thought!
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Probably a good thing. If you aren't up to date on your vaccines, it might start burning when you pee after coming into contact with those comments.
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It would appear that an Egyptian blog questions it as well
http://www.bigpharaoh.com/2007/09/14/daily-pussy/
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In fact, the defamation will increase traffic there. Sure, the average American will view the site (and, increasingly, Democrats as a whole) in a poor light, but the average American already would be appalled by DailyKos. The whackjobs who are attracted there, though, aren't. In fact, this should help DK with the fringe nuts who frequent there.
When I looked at the story again, I couldn't help notice the similarity of the charges to those made against Admiral Boorda in the 90's.
Admiral Boorda committed suicide when the legitimacy of his wearing a V for combat valor on some his medals came into question. Admiral Boorda Suicide
Funny how the playbook stays the same.
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Whoever is operative posing as dlawbailey over at Kos is brilliant. Those folks bought it hook, line and sinker. This thing will definately have legs. Way to go guys on snookering them into believing such a goofball story which forced them to defend themselves by citing the Swift Boat Vets claims.
What patriotism of theirs is there to miss?
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