Listening To The Military

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If there is going to be a 957th debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, I do hope that someone will ask them about this:

The Joint Chiefs chairman has a word of warning to Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton: A rapid of withdrawal from Iraq would lead to a "chaotic situation" and would "turnaround the gains we have achieved, and struggled to achieve, and turn them around overnight.

Admiral Mullen's comments came in a response to a question about what the Joint Chiefs are doing to prepare for a new president, given that two of the candidates have called for a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq.

"We need to be prepared across the board for what a new president will bring," Mullen said.  "I do worry about a rapid withdrawal. . . [that would] turn around the gains we have achieved and struggled to achieve and turn them around overnight."

Asked to define a "rapid withdrawal," Mullen said, "a withdrawal that would be so fast that it would leave us in a chaotic situation and the gains we have achieved would be lost."

The reality-based thing to do would be to pay heed to this advice. Which means, of course, that Admiral Mullen will be summarily ignored in either a Clinton or an Obama Administration.

Either that, or all of the claims that Clinton and/or Obama will get the United States out of Iraq are patent falsehoods designed solely to win votes.


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Unless the Iraqi government takes advantage of the "breathing space" that U.S. forces are providing, Mullen said, "no amount of troops in no amount of time will make much of a difference." [...] Mullen warned that "there is no purely military solution in Iraq" and that the country's politicians "need to view politics and democracy as more than just majority rule, winner-take-all, or a zero-sum game." Absent that, he said, the United States will be forced to reevaluate its strategy … Mullen, who is the chief of naval operations, told the panel that the U.S. troop increase in Iraq "is giving our operational commanders the forces they needed to execute more effective tactics and improve security." He added, "Security is better; not great, but better." … Levin expressed skepticism that Iraqi politicians can take steps toward political reconciliation. They "remain frozen by their history," he said. Levin added that the Iraqi parliament is "at a standstill," with nearly every session since November adjourning because too few legislators showed up … Asked by Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) about the U.S. prospects for "winning" in Iraq, Mullen said: "Based on the lack of political reconciliation at the government level . . . I would be concerned about whether we'd be winning or not." … In his written responses to committee questions, Mullen listed seven of "the most significant mistakes" made by the United States in Iraq. Among them, he cited Washington's failure to "fully integrate all elements of U.S. national power in Iraq," the failure to "establish an early and significant dialogue with neighboring countries," the U.S. attempt to occupy the country with "an insufficient force," the disbanding of the Iraqi army shortly after the 2003 U.S. invasion, and the pursuit of a de-Baathification process that "proved more divisive than helpful."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/31/AR200707...

Being a busy man Mullen probably didn't know that yesterday the Post ran a piece stating:

"U.S.-backed Sunni volunteer forces, which have played a vital role in reducing violence in Iraq, are increasingly frustrated with the American military and the Iraqi government over what they see as a lack of recognition of their growing political clout and insufficient U.S. support."

[And]

U.S. military officials and commanders say they are seeking to defuse the rising tensions before hard-won U.S. gains are jeopardized. "Despite some of the frustrations, the frictions and the attacks on the Sons of Iraq, they are continuing to volunteer. As an interim solution, it seems to be working well," said Col. Bill Buckner, a senior U.S. military spokesman. "It's clear Iraq remains a fragile security environment. We want to address many of their concerns as best as we can, so that they continue to be part of the solution to the security situation in Iraq."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/27/AR200802...

And most probably he also didn't read yesterday's news that:

Iraqi government leaders on Wednesday rejected a law requiring nationwide elections by the fall, sidetracking a measure that U.S. officials consider a key benchmark for political reconciliation in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/27/AR200802...

... and does anyone understand the debaathification law,
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/02/today_in_iraqand_tomorrow.htm...

and do the former Baathists trust it?
http://toohotfortnr.blogspot.com/2008/01/dont-you-try-to-fake-me-out.htm...

Mullen, who has also earlier stated our troop forces are ’significantly stressed’, and that we 'do what we can in Afghanistan and what we must in Iraq' is in a very tight spot, indeed. Shame nobody asked him if he thought the political 'breathing space' for Iraqi nation reconciliation was exhausting itself.

You're getting desperate, just like your party.

You are confusing a sense of responsibility and patriotism with desperation.
Like most lefties, you are completely unfamiliar with the former two and live in the latter.

Meant was supposed to respond to the long winded post above yours.

Because, from what I see, nothing you have cited actually contradicts Admiral Mullen's point that withdrawal would likely be a disaster. And despite the rather heavy insinuation otherwise, what he said today does not contradict anything Mullen has said earlier.

Like it or not (and to be honest, most Democrats absolutely hate it), the Iraq situation has been largely turned around - which is why your compadres in the news media have relegated Iraq news to the back pages.

The few hiccups and contrary opinions you're citing, mostly by Democrats who are struggling with feelings of dismay at seeing the casualty numbers go down does not mean failure or that Mullen is lying that major progress has been made and that a precipitous withdrawal would reverse it all.

Being a busy man Mullen probably didn't know that yesterday the Post ran a piece ...

It may surprise liberals, but reading the Washington Post is not part and parcel of being a good military man. Being informed, however, is, which is why I am personally very comforted by the possibility that Mike Mullen (who is certainly a busy man) does not waste his time reading partisan news organs the Washington Post.

Romney/Pace 2008

...and it's one that guides those on the Left who actually do attempt to back up their incorrect arguments with "evidence" (something that is to be commended).

You can use media reports from people who are here in the US or in the umbrella of the IZ all you want; neither the writers nor the stories are complete pictures, nor are they accurate. You can read the Post, the Inquirer, the Times, etc, etc, etc all you want, and it won't give you a fraction of the knowledge or awareness that (a) being there on the ground, or (b) being plugged in to the network of information supplied by those who are on the ground will give you.

Your daily link dump here demonstrates a couple of things: (1) media reports are still full not only of inaccuracies, but of incorrectly-drawn conclusions (whether that is out of ignorance or out of malice, I'll leave you to decide), and (2) like the LA Times Baghdad bureau chief admitted to me in August, the papers all have to have the same number of stories every week whether there's anything to report or not, so in times where things are looking up and there's no new news to report, the tiniest things will get blown up and printed in order to fill space -- and that's been going on a lot lately.

So by all means, keep relying on the words of third-party-sourced ignorami at the Times, the Post, etc. as your assurances -- your "intel briefs, if you will -- about what is really going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you do so, you will clearly (based on your work here so far), and incorrectly, continue to believe that "Baghdad is on the brink of collapse," that there "is no significant al Qaeda in Iraq presence," and that you (and the Post somehow know more about the situation surrounding America's military than the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

..."being a busy man" as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs means, to a Lefty, "not being as informed on what's going on in his military's areas of operations as the civilian, drive-by press."

DJames - and the rest of you "we can't " whiners.....
What year is it ? Last time I looked it is 2008 ! Um - the US still in Japan, Germany, S Korea and Bosnia..... How long since those conflicts 'ended' ???
If you think Iraq can convert from Saddam( Note: we can no longer use his last name) to a functioning, stable democracy in a few months or even just a few years you are delusional .

W has said from the outset shortly afetr 9/11 that this would be a long war . I know - I KNOW - teenagers want what they want and they want it all - NOW!... or is that two year olds ?
The US Congress under the current 'leadership' has accomplished nearly zero in terms of fixing the problems that are vital to the nation . Primary among them is the defense of this Republic . To that end the Demorat party has had our defeat as their main goal but hey you know them Iraqis - they can't get anything done so the US should surrender.

Frankly, D I have a manure tank of some size : =) you are welcome to do laps .

I am new to this site so I will go slowly. One thing at a time. The end of conflict is when the goverment in Iraq can stand up so we can stand down? Is this our new foreign policy? Can we expect to do this wherever we encounter terrorists while looking for WMD, Nukes,Osama in PakiAfistan, Gaza, Iran, Indonesia? Why not troops all over the world under the command say the UN or Nato. How about we print some more money and pass it out, Don't forget to tax it! I'm sorry I am getting carried away. True Conservative Policies, I think not. WWRRD1980-2008

 
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