Rove: WH Didn't Want Iraq Vote 'Politicized'

The Left Won't Like It, But He's Telling the Truth

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Former White House Political Driector Karl Rove told PBS's Charlie Rose that there was a debate in the Administration about whether or not there should be a vote on the Iraq War Resolution before the 2002 Congressional elections.


Despite Rose's incredulous reaction, the reporting from the time confirms that Rove is correct. It was Democratic Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and other Congressional Democrats who demanded that Congress be allowed to vote on the resolution before recessing for the 2002 mid-term elections.

Read on...

Daschle told PBS's Gwen Ifill in September of that year that the Administration had not asked for a war resolution, which is consistent with the Administration's position as outlined in accounts from August.

GWEN IFILL: Okay. What the President is now asking you for and what the administration has been asking you for is for a resolution that puts in words, I guess, puts on paper the same kind of support you've just voiced for them. When can we expect that?

SEN. TOM DASCHLE: Well, actually, Gwen, they haven't asked for it. They've talked about the need for the Congress to act, but there has not been any formal request. I called the White House yesterday and urged them to work with us so that we have a clearer understanding of what exactly their strategy is, what their plans might be, and we're getting together tomorrow morning for breakfast as we do on occasion -- the four leaders with the President and Vice President.

But that's really what it takes, a formal request. And then we go from there. If I had to guess, I would say that there would be strong support for the administration's actions, but it does require that we work together and find some resolution to whatever concerns there are with regard to the language itself. (my emphasis)

The Washington Post reported on August 26th, 2002, that the Administration had decided that it did not need authorization from Congress for military action in Iraq. It believed that authority was still in force from the 1991 resolution that authorized the Gulf War.

We don't want to be in the legal position of asking Congress to authorize the use of force when the president already has that full authority," said a senior administration official involved in setting the strategy. "We don't want, in getting a resolution, to have conceded that one was constitutionally necessary.

The Post goes on to say:

...some House and Senate leaders [read Democrats] appear determined to push resolutions of support for ousting Iraqi President Saddam Hussein when Congress returns after Labor Day because they consider the issue too grave for Congress to be sidestepped.

In other words, Rove is telling the truth. There was a debate within the Administration over the timing and necessity of Congressional authorization for the Iraq War. It was Democrats in Congress, led by the soon to be defeated Sen. Tom Daschle, that demanded to vote before Election Day. Democrats sought to politicize the vote and hoped to reap the benefits of acting tough on national security.

Of course, they have run very far, very fast from those votes; as the war has not gone as well as it was hoped. The left is likely to seize on Rove's comments themselves as a further politicization of the war. Only they could see the burgeoning success in Iraq as something to defend themselves from. But the evidence is clear. Since even before the war was authorized, it was Democrats who were politicizing the issue. The Administration just gave them what they wanted.

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The report from the end of August clearly states that Democrats were pushing for a vote before the election recess.

I guess the Washington Post was lying to get the country into war, then?

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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman

The Aug. 26, 2002 article from the WaPo is clearly from a time when the Bush administration believed it had the right to invade Iraq without Congressional approval; so, of course, the administration would not have been trying to get Congressional approval at the time. The executive and legislative branch have always had these fights, and this kind of fight is inevitable when war is being discussed. The Framers wanted the branches to protect their power- this is part of the checks and balances written into the Constitution.

Clearly, the Bush administration was beating the drums for war the loudest; and when they realized around September of 2002 that Congress was not going to roll over and allow an invasion without their approval, the evidence indicates the Bush administration started pushing for a vote before the midterms (when Bush had the highest approval ratings for a president since Ike). Clearly, many Democrats opposed the timing of the vote.

So, Rove is being disingenuous when he says Congress was pushing for the vote, because the Bush administration wanted to invade Iraq without a Congressional resolution. However, when approval became necessary, the Bush administration pushed for the vote before the elections.

All that said, I do agree with Rove that this politicized the vote and made things move too fast. So, I think it was wrong for the Bush administration to push for the vote before the midterms. However, that does not excuse the people in Congress that voted for the resolution out of political expediency.

It's obvious that Congress goaded Bush into making these press releases.

September 19, 2002

President Bush to Send Iraq Resolution to Congress Today

THE PRESIDENT: I am sending suggested language for a resolution. I want -- I've asked for Congress' support to enable the administration to keep the peace. And we look forward to a good, constructive debate in Congress. I appreciate the fact that the leadership recognizes we've got to move before the elections.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020919-1.html

September 24, 2002

President Urges Congress to Pass Iraq Resolution Promptly

THE PRESIDENT: Thanks for coming. We just had a very productive Cabinet meeting. We realize there's little time left in---before the Senate and the House goes home, but we're optimistic a lot can get done before now and then. Congress must act now to pass a resolution which will hold Saddam Hussein to account for a decade of defiance.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020924-1.html

SR

Click on the link to the PBS interview of Daschle and note the date. Also note that he says that the White House had not asked for a resolution by that date. Now look at the date on the press release you cite. Now look at the date of the Washington Post story I linked.

I fail to see how your information proves my post wrong.

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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman

Which isn't a suggestion for him, by the way.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Imagine the inspections and sanctions that would be working now if Dems had not forced Bush's hand. The size of the coalition would be immense by now.

SR

Enjoy your brief RedState Experience™.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

SRKarl Rove: [T]he administration was opposed to voting on it in the fall of 2002.
Charlie Rose: Because?
Rove: Because we didn’t think it belonged in the confines of the election. We thought it made it too political. We wanted it outside the confines of the election. It seemed it make things move too fast. There were things that needed to be done to bring along allies and potential allies abroad and yet-- ...
Rose: [Y]our argument is you would have had maybe more inspections. You would have been able to build a broader coalition. You could have done a whole lot other things if you didn’t have to have a vote, right?
Rove: Right, right, exactly.

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Finrod's First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.

“I asked directly if we could delay this so we could depoliticize it. I said: ‘Mr. President, I know this is urgent, but why the rush? Why do we have to do this now?’ He looked at Cheney and he looked at me, and there was a half-smile on his face. And he said: ‘We just have to do this now.’ “

http://www.latimes.com/search/dispatcher.front?Query=daschle&iraq&target...

This is better if the above doesn't work.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/14/AR200511...

SR

Her transcript of that conversation in Sept 2002 (and subsequent notes by the Wapo) seem to suggest that Tom Daschle is (gasp!) LYING.

And Ifill and the Washington Post are hardly what we'd call VRWC insiders.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

I'd say nothing personal, except that you've got all the hallmarks of a guy who reacts to good news from Iraq in the same way that normal people react to a splinter under a fingernail.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

I hate to say that you perhaps jumped the gun, but Andy Card seems to say that Rove is lying about this.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1107/Card_sells_out_Rove_on_Iraq....

To quote: Former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card this morning contradicted Karl Rove, the former Bush White House deputy chief of staff, on the October 2002 vote for the use-of-force resolution authorizing military action in Iraq, ThinkProgress reports.

If you live by the pander you die by the pander.

Nothing stopped the spineless jellyfish democrates from voting NO except an election. No convictions? Too bad.

Today Jack Murtha is trying to claim he supported the surge.
Unbelieveable.

 
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