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there are the concepts of "due diligence" and "know your customer." I see no reason why ISPs should be held to a lower standard.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

I have actually had the pleasure of operating a web hosting company a few years back, and I can tell you that most web hosting companies have very little knowledge of the sites they are hosting, and generally speaking do not even review a hosting purchase for violations unless their is a complaint.

You would have to impose regulation on the whole industry if you wanted them to perform "due diligence" as you say because right now nobody is doing it. Needless to say this field is not the financial services industry.

whether there is a regulation or not they certainly shouldn't be able to plead ignorance. We let zero other businesses use this excuse and perhaps putting some people in jail or some companies out of business is what we need to do to get people to take the information warfare concept seriously.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

What I'm saying is for example ThePlanet.com when you go to the planet to buy a dedicated server you don't tell them what you are hosting, or even if your hosting a website. You purchase a server and then host what you want on it.

Therefore the only way the ISP will even know your hosting a site that violates a law/rule/regulation in the United States if for someone to let the company know. They know who purchased the server, but they don't know why. The hosting market has very small margins and costs would go up across the board if ISP's had to vet all sites being hosted on their network, and in the case of a dedicated server, it is probably impossible to do.

We let people do business all the time with customers who will use their products or services for nefarious means. We don't prosecute every gun shop that legeally sells ammo to someone who later shoots up a post office.

If a customer openly says they want to buy a gun to kill someone I doubt many gun shops would sell them a gun. Websites blatantly calling for violence should be investigated.

I wonder if our intelligence service runs some of those websites hoping to infiltrate jihadist organizations?

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And the shop owner doesn't speak it?

form for the company that hosts my website. I don't think it would be too intrusive to require sites to abide by the laws of this country regarding terrorism etc.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

You are subject to the laws of the country where your site is hosted already. Let an ISP know about questionable material, they will review it and remove it if they deem it against the law, or a violation of their terms of service.

...is practicing "due diligence" and "know your customer" as it stumbles all over itself to offer Sharia-compliant products to the burgeoning market of Devout Muslims with money to invest. I suppose the federal government is on top of this already, and I expect it to weigh in with similar vigilance WRT ISP slackness. Still, there seems to be a troubling intersection between Sharia, Islamism and the private sector which must not be allowed to bleed over into our legal framework, as it has in Canada.

sharia banking and there is nothing wrong with taking deposits from devout muslims. There is a problem in being the bank for Hezbollah.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

It seems intuitive to me that certain industries require more due diligence than others; the financial and medical industries being two such examples. I think you're going to have to make the case that ISPs should fall into that category. Should Wal-Mart?

over to Target and K-Mart with bomb vests, then, yeah, WalMart should be in that category.
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If that were to happen, we'd deal with it in the moment like we can with this. We wouldn't hamstring the overwhelming majority of the retail industry that is innocent.

Wal-Mart may be a bogeyman but it isn't an industry.

Already manufacturers, wholesalers, and retailers are covered by due diligence. For instance, the owners of the little convenience stores in Oklahoma who were selling tens of thousands of packs of pseudophedrine a month were not allowed to say "I'm just the store."

You seem to be arguing to exempt ISPs from the rules that govern the rest of society.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

One web site in a language you do not translate does not "ten thousand packs of pseudophedrine" make. All I am saying is that it is reasonable for sites like these to go unexposed until such time as someone with the expertise can point out the problem. I frankly think it's absurd to expect every ISP to contract out with an foreign language translators to make sure that every web site they host is up to snuff. Heck I'm not comfortable with them reading every web site proactively as it is.

If these sites get shut down because of this new publicity, then I say that's the end of it. If they don't, then I'm all for sending them to the feds.

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I'm kinda like syphilis. I may go away for a while but sooner or later I come back and cause a lot of pain. :)

There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy

...and drive us all insane.

And Rightly So!

You are so much more enjoyable than is syphilis. You're not nearly as much fun as a scorching case of crabs, mind you - but syphilis? That's another story.

Just saying.

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"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

This should really be a blog, all on it's own.

Whew. :>)

And, after spending part of the morning jousting with a poorly disguised Rombot, you've made my day flyer.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

if there is a "Comment Hall of Fame", this post belongs there. If there isn't one, this post is more than enough reason to start one.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I knew syphilis. I worked with syphilis. And flyer, you're no syphilis.

www.alsunnah.info is still up.
www.tawhed.ws is also still up---seems to be the same site, in fact.
Not sure what's going on here...

Both sites say that the site has been removed from the server for me. The server is still up but the pages aren't.

There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy

There must be some sort of multihosting thing going on. I've cleared my cache and both sites are still up. Perhaps they have switched providers and the DNS cache hasn't reset on your site.

www.tawhed.ws is at 66.45.228.133 over here. (If you click on the IP address you'll get the Apache home page. Apparently it is using a virtual server.) A traceroute suggests that the serve is hosted in the New York metro area (njiix.net).

Just curious, which one of those prominent companies would Al-Qaeda be adverse to using to spread their propaganda?

They wouldn't think twice about it. But an ISP IS required to comply with copyright laws. I would be surprised if so many reputable firms would miss that a Al Qaeda front was using their brand name.

There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy

but much better said.

I am glad that not everyone thinks I am an imbecile.

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invitation to a state dinner.
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