The Washington Post on Treason

and your constitutional right to commit it

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Unsurprisingly, the Washington Post is not ecstatic about the indictment of Adam Gadahn for treason.

After giving the Administration a golf clap for adhering to the odious overreach by the judiciary in Hamdi

If the government wants to lock them up for supporting the enemy, the justices said, the Constitution specifies how it may do so: Charge them with treason or some similar crime.

That is what the Justice Department did last week to Adam Gadahn, an American-born operative who had been making videotapes for al-Qaeda. The first such charge in decades marks a significant change of course. Instead of causing him to disappear into military custody, as it did with Mr. Hamdi, the government is following a road explicitly laid out in the Constitution.

Broadly speaking, this is a constructive development. Unlike the murky terrain governing the holding of American citizens as enemy combatants, treason is defined in the Constitution.

And from there proceeds to a startling conclusion.

Read on.

Yet treason charges could come to pose civil liberties concerns of their own. The Constitution cannot, by definition, be unconstitutional -- yet its definition of treason is so broad and vague that, were it merely written in statute, it would probably be so. It consists of "levying war" against the United States or "adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort" -- language that has been used to convict people of propagandizing on behalf of enemy powers. Where exactly that bleeds into protected speech is no easy question.

One sees immediately why the definition of treason makes the Washington Post editorial board queasy. If they vacation in the Caribbean (how déclassé) they would prefer it not be at Club Gitmo and definitely not preceded by Donald Rumsfeld’s bully boys kicking in their door, being flexi-cuffed, tossed in a blacked out LearJet with bogus registration numbers, dressed in an orange jumpsuit and then allotted a no-amenities guest room with Abdul.

Of course they prefer emanations and penumbras and implied rights in preference to the words that thundered forth from our Founding Fathers:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Just as we had decided, without the Republic falling, that libel, slander, threats, praying the Rosary outside an abortion clinic and perjury are not covered by the First Amendment, for that matter neither is a lot of political speech since McCain-Feingold, we can sure address the simple issue of treason.

Let’s start with the text. How about if you levy war against the United States, or if you demonstrate in support of our enemies, or raise money or supplies for our enemies, or publish secret material that would provide our enemies with operational details of a national security program you go to Leavenworth for a long, long time? I’ll even be generous and stipulate that we have to be engaged in a shooting war with said enemies as much as it pains me to let the morons in the Nuclear Freeze movement off the hook.

How do you handle dissent? Dissent away buddy-boy until the first shot is fired then commit the words “adhering to their enemies, and giving them aid and comfort” to memory. I don’t care what some Republicans did in Kosovo, we need one set of rules of conduct for American citizens irrespective of which party occupies the White House.

There. Simple. I’m willing to live with the rules. Will the Post?

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Applies to the WaPo too. Treason charges against WaPo work for me.


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a declaration of war (also spelled out in the constitution). Without a declaration of war, how exactly do we define our enemies; whoever the president says they are? War is a pretty formal thing and requires an act of congress, following which, I have no problem locking up all those who commit "treason". Without a formal declaration of war, I am not sure that one can have treason simply from acts of speech.

So by jsteele

I guess all those North Koreans and Chinese were not the enemy in the Korean Police Action? Or all those Iraqi soldiers in the Gulf War and the Iraq invasion were not the enemy? And countless other military actions since WW II --- the last time we actually had a declaration of war against anyone.

Who knew.


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... Jean-François Revel

Exhibit A: The War Powers Act

Exhibit B: The Iraq war resolution

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No it doesn't require a declaration of war. I quoted the text and provided a link. Who were we at war with when Aaron Burr was charged with treason?

we've declared war 5 times in our history. The Civil War, Korea, and Vietnam are not on that list.

According to Joe Biden anyways. Check it out (near the bottom):

M: (Inaudible) Talbot(?). Senator, thank you for this broad gauged approach to the problems we face. My question is this, do you foresee the need or the expectation of a Congressional declaration of war, which the Constitution calls for, and if so, against whom? (Scattered Laughter)

JB: The answer is yes, and we did it. I happen to be a professor of Constitutional law. I'm the guy that drafted the Use of Force proposal that we passed. It was in conflict between the President and the House. I was the guy who finally drafted what we did pass. Under the Constitution, there is simply no distinction ... Louis Fisher(?) and others can tell you, there is no distinction between a formal declaration of war, and an authorization of use of force. There is none for Constitutional purposes. None whatsoever. And we defined in that Use of Force Act that we passed, what ... against whom we were moving, and what authority was granted to the President.

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I think praying the Rosary outside an abortion mill is protected speech, as is protesting generally outside an abortuary. The government can regulate where protesters -- praying or not -- can stand, and how many there are, but I believe it cannot bar them from congregating near the death chambers. I do realize the government enacted some restrictions, but I also know people pray outside abortion facilities all the time, to this day.

"The Constitution cannot, by definition, be unconstitutional -- yet its definition of treason is so broad and vague that, were it merely written in statute, it would probably be so."

Um, the first part of that sentence demonstrates a total lack of understanding of the Constitutional process. If the Treason Clause in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution conflicts with a provision in the First, Fifth, or Fourteenth Amendment, guess which takes precedence? The Amendment, without question. A first-year law student would know that.

So, a provision of the Constitution which is altered or overridden by a later amendment can in fact be "unconstitutional." It would surely be a constitutional violation for a state legislature to directly select its U.S. Senators despite the provisions of Article I, Section 3, because the Seventeenth Amendment provides for their direct election. So too, the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments would limit the scope of the Treason Clause. Like I said, that's first-year law school stuff.

"Every time some nitwit college student burns a flag on camera, that's one less idiot who can ever run for public office." - Crank

 
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