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Kos says it's wrong; is he just sh-tting us?

Claims he wants. But for someone who claims to have the goods, he apparently didn't get or didn't read the latest Kerry statement on the issue.

Lazy request:

Link to Kerry claim [or maybe a list of the nations he claimed to talk to] and then a link to a list of nations disputing said claim?

PB

The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes -- honesty.

Another example of a gross exaggeration by a serial exaggerator. For me, this is not nearly as damning as his statement he'd go after the terrorists like he went after the Viet Cong.

I don't think it's going to make an impact on any undecided voters either.

but, what are you referring to? link?

I just saw the article.

While it starts with the UN meeting as the basis for the article... the real message is Kerry is not truthful on just about every front. This from a man that proclaims that truthfulness is what would be the hallmark of his presidency and he is constantly stating that President Bush is not being truthful.

The real message of this article is the absolute crass hypocrisy and pathological lying of John Kerry. It speaks to the lack of character and trustworthiness of a man that is seeking the highest office in our land.

For me, this is not new news... but, I'm not sure about others just tuning into the election.

We covered this story at Kerry Haters back in August; unfortunately it was just as Christmas in Cambodia broke and so it largely got ignored.  We do have some additional research that Joel Mowbray may find useful.  Our post is here.

I really think that this would have done better without the tease.  In the future I think it would be best if you just broke the story or linked to it or whatever instead of the hype/buzz/whatnot I've seen attempted twice (swiftboat ad, this).  With that said, nicely done.

-bro

Kerry lied. It matters. The man is mentally ill. He continues to stroke his own ego by using such transparently phony techniques as name-dropping and wild exaggeration of his own importance. When he made the speech on the senate floor prior to the vote in 2002 he stated with great conviction that he had met privately with members of the U.N. Security Council just one week earlier in New York. He has made variations of that claim up to and including a lengthy (several hour meeting) with the entire security council the week before the vote.

There is no reason for John Kerry to make such a statement other than to embellish his record and make himself look bolder and more involved than he actually was. The man embellished his after-action reports in Viet Nam. He lied to receive medals. He is lying now to try to make himself look good and the President look bad.

He is dangerous. He is delusional. He is a pathological liar. It is a sign of a very serious mental illness.  The world had better get a handle on this jerk. He is a deranged person and should not, no make that, must not ascend to the highest office in the land.  

This is not a small matter. It is huge.

This isn't Kos's little swamp.

I think the MSM will not carry the Kerry story too much, but will salivate over the NYT one....big surprise.

Don't know if it will have much legs.

We have to keep hoping that the Dem women keep talking...PA Riots only will stop if Kerry/Edwards win....that was Edward's wife talking...

CT has a Bush lead 49 to 48 according to the U of C poll.

Quinnipiac had the spread at 6 for Kerry end of September....

I know that the GOP Senator from Ct has been in the news a bit, maybe this is something that could pick up speed with HI also trending towards the President.

I thought the article was great.  It took a lot of research and I give Joel M. kudos.  He'll probably get "detained" again.

Chad Clanton is saying, "He better hope we don't get elected..."

Maybe we can get Lawrence O'Donnell to scream over Kerry in an interview....LIAR, LIAR, BIG LYING LIAR PANTS

Kerry's biggest lie of all...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041024/news_mz1e24shilli.html

This really isn't going to hurt Kerry much. You won't be seeing CBS following up on this. His spin crowd will get right to work mincing words, dates, obfuscating. "These are not the UN meetings you are looking for", Jedi mind trick...

Those that believe in Senator Kerry for president are a dedicated lot. They for the most part loathe their candidate, and know he is an empty suit, but they hate the president more. So much so, that Senator Kerry could appear at a campaign event, whip out a crack pipe, and cook a rock in front of thousands, then the spin would begin, and the faithful would still be there. We would be lucky if flipping to the CNN talking heads and hearing, "appears to be holding glassware close to his lips and heating it"... Eleanor Clift: "He is glassblowing, that is all"...

Kerry's premise is that he will wage a "better, smarter, more sensitive" war on terror, and will be more successful in rallying international support.

He has positioned himself as an intellectual, who is deeply respected in the international community.

After the story on his IQ vs Bush - see www.shakingspears.blogspot.com - this "non-story" begins to reinforce the image of Kerry as poseur, dilettante, and pretender.

Spear Shaker

www.shakingspears.blogspot.com

There was too much hype surrounding this story. People were expecting some kind of October Surprise. This ain't it. Luckily, members of the media weren't sharing in that hype, so that it didn't transcend the conservative blogoshpere, from what I can tell. Therefore, whatever genuine impact this story might have may still resonate, if any.

It's a serious story. Will it have an impact this late in the campaign? Maybe, if Kerry is forced to publicly explain his comments. Could be the final nail in the coffin regarding his claims to "consistency" throughout his bid to become President.

In fact, maybe this is what the President should do. His hands were tied with the Swift Vets stuff. But not here. He has every right to ask John Kerry to explain what he met when he said he met with all the members of the Security Council. That is, of course, if Kerry DOESN'T have some sort of reasonable explanation of this.  

Well, it's possible that the media will pick this up and run with it, though to me it doesn't really seem that different from the manifold deceptive (and plain false) statements uttered by both candidates during the debates.  I'd certainly be surprised if the story's outcome justified the hype it got here and elsewhere.

It is more of a story than the Kerry "excommunication," I'll say that much.

I agree with those who accurately diagnose Kerry as a pathological liar. (And he's not even half as entertaining or interesting as the Jon Lovitz character on SNL--Yeah, that's the ticket.) If you want further proof of this affliction of his beyond "Christmas in Cambodia" and "Meeting with Security Council Members," go to www.footballfansfortruth.us  and look especially at Kerry's claims about his having run in the Boston Marathon and having been 30 yards away from Billy Buckner when he became the goat of the ill-fated '86 World Series game between the Red Sox and the Mets. Come to think of it, I erred in comparing Kerry to Jon Lovitz: I should've mentioned the Woody Allen character Zelig, too.

I agree fully with Jake. This is what we were waiting for all weekend????????

This is less of a lie then W saying that "I never said I wasn't concerned about Osama Bin Laden". That got NO attention, neither will this.

Further, the Democrats have plenty of other contradictions to throw back at us...

I was wondering who would be the first person to say  "He forgot Bulgaria!"  Looks like it's Atrios.

I do think Atrios is right that if Kerry has to respond, he will just say that he meant the permanent members.  Honestly, does it really matter if he met with the Bulgarian and the Colombian ambassadors?  (No offense to those two fine countries intended, of course).

To me, this is about as significant as Kerry's untrue statement about Bush meeting the Black Caucus. A gotcha, but not much more.  And the fact that Mowbray spend a bunch of his column trying to link it to a "pattern" of behavior suggests that he too sees it as a bit insubstantial on its own.  Bombshells usually get at least one story all to themselves.

But, we'll see.  Best of luck with the post-story hype.

PLEEEZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George W. Bush isn't smart enough to tell the truth!

1. "I never said I wasn't concerned about Bin Laden"
   
2. There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
   
3. Iraq was behind 9/11
   
4. The economy "is turning the corner"

shall I go on?

I meant Congressman Shays from Ct.  Sorry

Jeff

We can read the semi-literate postings at TPM and dKos at least as well as you.

   1. "I never said I wasn't concerned about Bin Laden"

This one is irrelevant, because if OBl is even alive, he is clearly not the leader he was, and AQ is a decentralized movement. Kerry shows how clueless he is about the WOT by harping on OBL, as if capturing him would make all the terrorist groups put down their bombs.

   2. There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

There have been, and would be again if Saddam remained in power. So says the Duelfer report.

   3. Iraq was behind 9/11

Bush never said this, again, it's irrelevant. See Duelfer report and other info on Saddam's feeding and harboring of terrorists.

   4. The economy "is turning the corner"

Yes, it did. We had a short shallow recession and the economy is doing well by most measures.

It is not so much a question of literacy, it is a question of cold hard facts:

1. Bush Lie -- Lie is easily refutable on video tape. [He in fact did say exactly the words he denied -- he also was wrong about the timber company]
   
2. Kerry Lie -- remains to be proven, but even if it is proven, it is more nuanced and becomes much more of a technical court case argument of refuting the facts.

The media nor the public cared about #1, why would they care about #2. You are deluding yourself otherwise....

Who is the "us" in that other post of yours? "Us" as in dKos trolls pretending to be conservatives?

The company that he had earnings from on his tax return had not invested in the timber company until after that time. Factcheck explains this.

My thinking is no.  

Having worked on enough campaigns in the past, it's getting down to meat and potatoes time now and I doubt very seriously whether this is going to register with the majority of the voters.

Nonetheless, it IS important, but the voters that have not come down firm on one side of the other are probably going to breeze right over this I'm betting.

Yes, it raises big questions again about a liar calling out a liar, but will it have teeth.  That's the "million vote question" now isn't it?

Bryan

Agent Tjones did not maintain his cover very well.  For that... he will be punished.

Seriously, just for the sake of full disclosure, I'm a Democrat-- though I think the Dkos comments are basically a cesspool (the posts themselves, on the other hand, are often pretty good).  

So conceivably it's my partisan blindness that sees this as not a very serious matter.  Don't think so, though.

Dude, you are clearly rationalizing.

1. Bush clearly denied something he did in fact say. Trying to downplay OBL role or importance does not deminish that fact. Futhermore, we captured SH, what good did that do? Now we have even more chaos there and as the NYT reports today tons of SH's explosives in their hands (this is a story that will get traction).
   
2. There have been weapons there? Well, maybe, but not when we went to war there. Duelfer confirmed this as well.
   
3. Bush didn't say this, but Cheney certainly did. Along with the fact that he never met Edwards (before he lies, he ought to check the videotape).
   
4. I don't know where you are living, but where I am from people are hurting. We need 150,000 new jobs a month just to account for new workers. The stock market is lower than it has been in ages. Gas prices are soaring. Come on....

I assume you will have me banned. That is fine. I am a conservative (just not a happy one currently). You guys really need to get out of this echo chamber.

John Kerry in "Harvey"

I guess he's the only one that sees these "foreign leaders."

Bush said "We found the weapons of mass destruction.  We found biological labs."

It was in an interview with Polish TV, I think.

You haven't ever pretended to be "us" or "we". But it is a fact that dKos people come over here to play whatever juvenile games they think are effective. Examples here (follow link to dKos) and here.

1. Dick Cheney was not telling the truth when he said he'd never met John Edwards before their debate?
   
2. George Bush was not telling the truth when he said he never said he wasn't concerned about Osama?
   
3. John Kerry was not telling the truth when he said he'd met with the UN security council?
   
4. Politicians do not always tell the truth?

Facts haven't mattered to Kerry's followers and this debacle won't move their opinion. In contrast, John Kerry's lifetime pattern of lying became apparent this year to objective observers considering each disturbing revelation on his military and political careers.  

Long ago we ceased our surprise at the mounting evidence of Kerry's bad character, and most significantly, at Kerry's pompous belief that his reputation could remain invincible despite his actual conduct. Irregardless, of Kerry's misplaced political haughtiness, the Left has not blushed over Kerry's lavish display of unlimited narcissism, but instead encouraged his behavior and echoed his conceit.

For the political sleepwalkers who managed to remain truly undecided during this controversial election, news of another Kerry fabrication might sway some votes. Yet, the intensity of this campaign makes one look askance at any "undecided" voters who needed more proof of Kerry's fatally flawed ethics at this late hour.  

Hmmm... Let's see now, if someone shaves a few pounds off their driver's license application, that is just as important as a person getting a job as a medical doctor by lying that they went to med school?

Yep...I just love this "moral absolutism" of the Left.

Chris Matthews conveniently snipped the follow up sentence from Cheney where he clarified that Iraq wasn't behind 9/11. Transcripts proved Matthews distorted the quote from his own show.

Unemployment is very low by historical measures. You must have lots of unqualified friends.

Check out the article  tjones

NYTimes Article:

Bush IQ ranked higher than Kerry during youth and military service

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html

See, he can't use that excuse -- for reasons which will appear on the front page shortly.

I forget meeting people all the time. Heck, I forget people. I forget specific things I have said all the time. I certainly don't recall the exact words chosen.

Yet, I never remember being in places I have never been, and I rarely invent memories of meetings with specific people.

Isn't that neat?  I had a conversation with one of my liberal friends during the Abu Grahb prison scandal when she openly said with a straight face "I know it goes on, but I just am tired of being LIED to!".

Well, I said, that is funny, considering you weren't screaming at the top of your lungs when Bill Clinton perjured himself, which seems to be just a little larger a crime than taking pictures of prisoners with panties on their heads.  But, I digress....

Bryan

people who make an impression, books that move you.

You remember your wedding, not the kid who sat three rows behind you in third grade. You remember where you were and what you were doing on 9/11/01, not what you had for breakfast on 3/21/01. You remember the context of your remarks in a particular conversation, if not the exact verbiage. Our memories are linked by emotions and relationships between the memories (remembering one thing can trigger a myriad of related memories). The boring and the mundane is flushed down the memory hole.

It's one thing not to recall an unimportant piece of trivia, it's another to "remember" life-changing events that never happened and use those memories to score points off others.

tjones:"PLEEEZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Under 30?

"George W. Bush isn't smart enough to tell the truth!"

    You're not smart enough to back up your claim.

W: "I never said I wasn't concerned about Bin Laden"

  Since it's been years since we've had the slightest indication that OBL is still alive, I personally don't begrudge W's leaning to and leaning fro on how important OBL is.  Dead, or merely hiding in a cave: either way, I agree there are bigger fish to fry.  It would be nice to have him in a jail cell, but turning the entire recent history of the middle east towards modernity is kinda important too.

W: "There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"

Being wrong is not lying, especially when the whole world is wrong with you.  The only "lie", id est "deliberate fabrication", is on the part of the left, who want to rewrite history on this issue.  Not only do they disingenuously want to put the onus on Bush for intelligence gathering, not only do they want to refute that nobody in the world refuted the existence of the WMD's, the left now wants to claim that the lack of them somehow proves that the war itself is a lie.  In fact, the war was based not on their existence, but on the fact that Saddam would not allow us to verify that they did not exist.  Similar, but different in a very important way.  Try to grok it.

W: "Iraq was behind 9/11"

    Nobody in the admin ever said that.  Period.

"The economy "is turning the corner""

    Yes.  Rather than cite stupid statistics, why not look for a job?

"shall I go on?"

   Or shall you go away?

So Kerry talked to France and Spain but NOT Bulgaria. Whoa. Wow. Freak me out time.

SHOW ME THE PROOF. And what about Poland? You can't forge those fighting Poles.

SHOW ME PROOF. Not the words of some puppets yanked around by Cheney.

If this is the oooh, scare me, Big Bang Story you waited for all weekend, it's time to get some sleep. I suggest you have..hmm... at least 4 years to chill in your own stew of self-delusion.

Good night!

Regardless of the truth of this, it's not going to get any play.  

This won't be a big deal.

You mean like say... um.... George Bush?

Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq

By JAMES GLANZ, WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER

Published: NEW YORK TIMES

October 25, 2004

This article was reported and written by James Glanz, William J. Broad and David E. Sanger.

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 24 - The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, make missile warheads and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

The huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, was supposed to be under American military control but is now a no man's land, still picked over by looters as recently as Sunday. United Nations weapons inspectors had monitored the explosives for many years, but White House and Pentagon officials acknowledge that the explosives vanished sometime after the American-led invasion last year.

The White House said President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, was informed within the past month that the explosives were missing. It is unclear whether President Bush was informed. American officials have never publicly announced the disappearance, but beginning last week they answered questions about it posed by The New York Times and the CBS News program "60 Minutes."

Administration officials said Sunday that the Iraq Survey Group, the C.I.A. task force that searched for unconventional weapons, has been ordered to investigate the disappearance of the explosives.

Follow the linkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/international/middleeast/25bomb.html?hp&a
mp;ex=1098763200&en=fd35fdf4b6d46d61&ei=5094&partner=homepage

to read the story... if your mind can wrap itself around the truth

Condi: "I think it was called... err...

umm...umm... BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN U.S..."

War, is not ever going to go exactly the way we would like.  Weapon material missing is no surprise.  We don't know when it went missing...by the way.

DIFFERENCE:

We know a serial liar when we hear one.  John "reporting for duty," Kerry underminds his entire role as "wanta be" commander and chief if he can't even keep his stories straight BEFORE we would elect him.

SHEESH, what would we expect him to do in the Oval Office.  

Perhaps:   "I did cut your taxes, before I didn't cut your taxes."  

Or what about this:  "I did call our allies to help, before I didn't call our allies to help."

These we know about:

Or perhaps:  "I did vote for the 87 million dollars to support our troops, before I voted against (helping) them."

Or, this one:  "I did meet with the SC, before I didn't meet with them."

Just to name a few...

Um, that's from Steve Sailer. His opinions on intelligence are, shall we say, squirm-inducing.

Even my children know better than to say the dog ate their homework.  

Perhaps Kerry's mom had a reason for telling him "Integrity, Integrity, integrity".  Maybe she knew something some are just learning about this man.

We DO know when the explosives went missing. Right after YOUR American invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

I am a mom that wants to secure my children's right to live. Thanks for taking All That away, Bush. Bush is only interested in securing one thing: the oil our children will die for.

Wake up and smell the explosives.

Look he lied about OBL, you are just rationalizing about it. Deal with it.

Both Bush and Cheney linked Iraq with 9/11. You saying contrary does not change the history of it.

Bush said there was "irrefutable proof" of weapons. He said there were aluminum tubes used for uranium enrichment. He said that Iraq tried to get Uranium from Africa. All of these were known by people WITHIN the administration at the time these statements were made to be false. HE LIED.

The economy sucks. If there was not a republican in the white house, you would be saying the same. Wake up and stop being so paritisan. I cited facts (number of jobs last month. Whether they are stats or not, get your head out of the sand and take a look around. Your argument makes no sense and actually is a a personal attack (something that is not allowed here). But, that is ok, I realize when people have nothing valid to say, they result to personal attacks.

...proof. Show me the records that Kerry did or did not meet with the likes of Bulgaria on the Security Council. (Not a permanent member of the Council.)

You believe what you read from the WASHINGTON TIMES and what you HEAR from FOX and you can speak with authority about a man's VIETNAM SERVIEC or Senate service? Are you really THAT insecure? Can you not seek out information on your own? DO YOU NOT ASK FOR A RECEIPT when you buy a cup of coffee or your Assault Rifle? :{ You want proof of purchase. You want a document. You want a record. You don't leave the supermarket without a receipt. HOW THE HELL CAN YOU PRESUME YOU KNOW SOMETHING MERELY BECAUSE SOMEONE MADE AN INFERENCE?

Where is the record?

Speaking of, if you like inferences, Bush is a war criminal because he completely shirked his DUTY TO THE TEXAS AIR NAT'L GUARD. PROVE TO ME HE WAS THERE AND DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO INSTEAD of being in VIETNAM-- where that pathetic poor little rich boy belonged? YOUR SONS DIED FOR HIM.

Sheeze. Wake up. You've been robbed.

This "invasion for oil" thingy is getting a little bit old...

HINT:  might be a time for a makeover

If you want to "secure" your children's right to live...by all means vote for sKerry.  I'm sure he has a "PLAN."

You are right. We will have a makeover when Bush takes his bags and rides off into the sunset. He deserves to go to prison. How about... a nice little cell in Abu Gharib. You do remember Abu Gharib, don't you? Your dude can't even say it. Let alone know where it is.

And you are right. Kerry does have a plan. To bring back sanity and peace and truth to our country.

Your man can giggle all day long while he pretends to look for weapons of mass destruction under his desk and chair.

Hhhm... Old. Truth.

Hhhhhhm... New. Kerry.

Perfect.

Thanks for the tip.

Mission accomplished.

And you completely avoided the true issue: the proof. Where did Mowbray get his info from?

You guys like to avoid answering questions. Is it "too harddddddd" work for you?

Read the article. It quotes that he said all of them, referring to the Security Council. I'll leave the creation of said country list as an exercise to the reader.

Nations disputing claim?

I dunno, maybe it's not in the interest of journalistic integrity to reveal their direct sources. <wink>

I might suggest medication. Calm down.

Mowbray quoted Ambassadors who went on the record. If they want to dispute those quotes, then we'll talk.

I don't need to calm down.

You'd be angry too if you could see what has happened to our country.

One of those Ambassadors would not go on record. And the Ambassadors spoken to were not on the permanent Council. Were they?

Your one problem:

Truth = Kerry?...  Something like "I voted for it, before I voted against it? " Or, "Christmas in Cam..., seared in my memory," the list goes on and on and on.

I do feel sorry for you having to defend a serial liar through.   So try and have a nice day.  Bye

You clearly only listen to Bush commericals. You are uneducated. Did you watch the debates? Do you read? Do you read the Congressional record? Apparently not. If you knew why Kerry would not let the vote go through--which attached a slush fund for Halliburton and had nothing to do with our military-- you'd know why Kerry had to make that particular vote against that particular earmarked money.

Your man made you afraid to use your brain.

Don't worry. Ashcroft can't arrest you for wondering if this has all been a nightmare.

Because it has been.

And it is going to end next Tuesday when Bush is impeached and is removed from office by the legitimate votes of the American people.

It has been a horrific 4 years.

You feeling sorry for me? Gee, wish I had a flu vaccine to get rid of the disgusting ooze that just poured out of me at that thought.

I am defending the good people of our nation.

Bush is not one of them.

So three on record, one not. That is enough to show that he didn't meet with ALL of the security council. Permanent has nothing to do with it, Mr. spin machine, lol.

I agree this story will have no impact.. I wish it did but I also think it was way over-hyped..I hope this isnt the best we got..

 You said:

"You are uneducated. Did you watch the debates? Do you read? Do you read the Congressional record? Apparently not."

RESPONSE:  No, I didn't even make it out of high school.   Additionally since I couldn't understand the "big" words they used on the debate I turned it off.  Thank goodness "As the World Turns" was on...

You said:

"Your man made you afraid to use your brain.

RESPONSE:  Yep, "my man" make me afraid to use my brain.  BTW, I'm also a blonde...

Boy did you tell me!  :)

"And you are right. Kerry does have a plan. To bring back sanity and peace and truth to our country."

The words truth and sKerry in the same sentence?  Wow, that is wishful thinking.

What has happened to our Country?  Even with all our faults, problems, and/or disagreements, we are still the greatest Country in the entire world.

Funny how that same story is on the front page here now.

Hope you find your words tasty.  I'll exempt you from eating them if you can find any MSM outlet that's even done the basic research into, say, the Swift Vets story.

The number 380 seems to have materialized from thin air for this story. There are various other reports that say 250 Tons, 250 Metric Tonnes, 32 Tons, 32 Metric Tonnes, 150 Tons, ad nauseum.

The early estimates after the end of operations were that there were somewhere between 600,000 and 1 Million TONS of ordnance and explosives in Saddam's arsenals. While not being able to identify 380 or 250 or 32 or whatever the h**l the number is not a good thing, in the grander scheme of things it represents a tiny fraction of the munitions that Saddam had stored away. There is reportedly even ammunition there for which the original weapons no longer exist!

And, given even the low end 600,000 ton estimate I'd venture that there is a non-zero probability that the 'missing' explosives were actually an accounting error and may never have existed in the first place or were the same stuff counted multiple times. This was not taking place in Switzerland.

It appears that Saddam was the 'Imelda Marcos' of munitions --- he never saw an explosive device he wouldn't buy.

Instead of the lecture that Bush delivered to the Security Council. I'm sure that most UN Security Council members were really motovated to help after Bush's "object lesson".

Personally, I think the UN is weak. Also, noting the countries who claim no visit by Kerry, most of them are non-players on the world scene

It's interesting that the neocons now want to believe the UN players who deny meeting Kerry.

Do you believe the Chinese? The Russians? Why has Putin endorsed Bush? Could be there's a little taste in there for him if Bush wins (which he won't).

I'm sure that most UN Security Council members were really motovated to help

And judging by their response to Kerry's claim to get them to pony up troops, I don't see that Kerry motivates them much either...

Also, noting the countries who claim no visit by Kerry, most of them are non-players on the world scene

And yet from the way the SC is structured each and every one of those "non-player" votes are oh-so-vital. You absolutely cannot asses how committed the SC is to keeping Saddam at bay unless you talk to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. All it takes is one veto from any of those "non-players."

Do you believe the Chinese? The Russians?

...add Kerry to the list of the unbelievable. But to address your point specifically, if you prefer Mexico, Columbia, and Bulgaria, why would they lie too?

A politician saying something that isn't 100% true? I see that every night with campaign ads on TV. Every candidate, right and left does this. What a non-story. I don't see this going anywhere.