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did Bill Clinton age about 15 years since his surgery? Saw him on half-time of the game tonight, he looked like he hasn't slept in days. A good night's sleep and some R&R on the golf course should help, but I think he needs to retire from public life (although that might be complicated in 2008 when his wife runs for president).

By rule, the clock continues to run after an election. The operator will set the clock to zero. Their fifteen minutes is up.

I can see John Kerry getting attention, since he is still a United States Senator.

John Edwards, though, is nothing.  He's not even at Al Gore's level of former Vice President.  I wish he'd disappear.

Cowboys lose in a heartbreaker, love it!

In related news, political scientists now believe there are three, perhaps as many as five people in America who continue to care what Sens. Kerry and Edwards have to say.

Bill Clinton retire from the spotlight? He would rather not live!

You make the assumption they can add.

in the same room as a Bigfoot.

...a majority of the members of both the Kerry and Edwards clan don't care anymore either. Which I'm quite ready to believe.

and therefore the next election cycle is about to begin

what you are watching is the first shots in the opposition attempting to place themselves as the front runner

...I'm a Democrat. And a Kossack to boot! (see my sig line and check it's provenance). So your reference to "the opposition" is a little misplaced. But you're absolutely right. If Kerry or Edwards ever reach the plateau of "frontrunner" -- though Edwards I could almost accept -- I will cry until dehydrated, and then out of despair I will not take water, and I then I will die, parched, a martyr to the Democratic Party of winners I believed would come to pass in my lifetime.

or, just maybe your President is a train wreck and Kerry and Edwards are stepping up to actually lead this country, regardless of whether or not they will reap political benefit.  

Honestly, it's not like anyone else who has nearly Kerry's position of power and influence is really saying this stuff already.  This is leadership.

can be found here:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2005_09_19.html

Sounds like a roof-raiser!

...Kerry is a calculated loser. Stop defending him. (Refresher: Kerry = Loser). Edwards has some good ideas, some real good ideas, but was/is too impatient. Stop defending losers on the winners' site, please. It makes me look worse than I am. Thanks.

Is this Liberal-on-liberal-on-liberal action?

INO.

Sorry, you're right, I should hang out on the "winners'" site so I can kiss up to them instead.  I can tell you have a real passion for your country, standing up for your ideals like that.  I think the -last- thing you want is anyone ruffling feathers.

...Red State, at this point in its development, needs a system by which the many Liberals here can self-identify with a little icon or sig line. I have no idea who I'm arguing against anymore (such a system would be called "fascist" but would be so helpful). It's all so confusing.

...you think Kerry would stand up for "our" rights more than I would? I beg to differ, and I fear for you and yours. Us Democrats need winners. And by that I mean candidates who can win. I'm sorry if you find the prospect so counter-revolutionary.

Who else says "your President" like that?

Obviously he's not my first choice.  But who else is showing such backbone?  Who are the choices?  What does a radical have to do to see a little passion?

well, I am not a "liberal", I'm farther left.

but I wasn't talking about me.

Let honest liberals identify themselves with a little G for guest.

Putting the G in a Communist-style red star is optional.

...and many other Democrats. I wasn't criticizing Democrats who stand up for themselves, I wasn't saying water down your beliefs. In fact, I was criticizing the exact opposite -- in the context of my own convictions at least -- since I was criticizing Kerry and to a lesser extent Edwards. I simply do not believe that Kerry is showing backbone in any way, shape or form in his current actions. I hated him before his nomination, I hate him now. But perhaps this is a conversation better conducted on Daily Kos? Red State can only stand so much Democratic soul-searching...

...I agree. Please use your influence to suggest such an idea.

I'd be more than happy to be auto-identified in exchange for an immediate understanding of my politics (so as to avoid confusion and misplaced comments). Perhaps have some gradiation between unwelcome but tolerated guests and welcome guests?

Again, the identification of the "Vichy" versus the "resistance" will be seen as fascist and reported as such, but it would be a wonderful addition to this site.

Well, consideing I'm just a nobody who joined a few months ago, I think posting my support for your idea in this thread is the extent of using my influence.

And sorry if you didn't find funny my little red star joke.

Is it backbone to fight an unwinnable battle, or stupidity?

In fact, if you're so far to the left that you don't like the term liberal (what do you call yourself?  Progressive?  Socialist?  A person of the Left?), you'd best be careful what you wish for.  Showing backbone might come in the form of "a Sister Souljah moment" where one Senator Clinton calls the Daily Kos left a bunch of loons, and runs for the center like her husband did.

...she used as one of her "question" exercises the sentence, "Why is Fidel so bad?"

I can't find the association of my politics, however they're presented here, with a "red star" as "funny." So, sorry. And you post too much to not have some influence, I think...

I understand your "whatever," then.

I don't look at it in a losers/winners site way.  Rather, this is a Republican site, and we come here because we want to chat with Republicans about their Republican stuff.  

(But if you want to know why you should be a crazy John Edwards fan like myself, go read this thing I wrote for Ezra Klein.)

I wish these two would learn to check their facts before they open their mouths.

Edwards compared people living in trailers in Mississippi to the "Hoover-viles" during the depression by calling them "Bush-viles". Excuse me but didn't the Hoover-viles come about by a major economic disaster, not a hurricane. Trying to compare those two is stupid an idiotic. Edwards is trying to continue the liberal strategy and pin this disaster on Bush, but he is using ideology that my 7th grader knows is wrong.

As for Kerry, he's blaming the disaster on Bush because FEMA was merged under Homeland Security. Hello, Senator Kerry, but you and your fellow democrats voted for that merger because it was under the recommendations of the 9/11 commission. President Bush opposed it.

If these two think they have a viable chance of running again in 2008, think again.

Do you think we can get the people who sign up intending to act as Rs, though they are rabid Ds, to put a little red T on their tag line?  What a great way to sift out the trolls before Thomas has to treat them like baby seals.

John sees two Americas, those who are wealthy enough to contribute and let him continue to act like he cares about plight of the "mill-worker" while keeping up a limo liberal lifestyle and those that can't.

...if he continues to allow his Sheehan-lovin' wife to stagger around in front of microphones.  Although I do miss the "Women on the Verge" theme of the 2004 campaign.

...Like college overtime....? I'm just not sure.

Moneybags is just letting him pretend for a while so he won't grow a beard like Algore.  

I'm glad to know they meet such an unpleasant end.

No one remembers what he did to organize the rescue of hundreds of thousands of people stranded by the Mississippi flood in 1927.  His excellent emergency management in this disaster was a primary reason he was elected President the following year. We let the left have its way with Hoover's reputation far too much.  The only Hoover that sucks is in my closet, and it needs a new bag.  

Does Edwards think we should call the Marielito tent cities "Cartervilles" and the Japanese/Italian/German internment camps "Roosevilles" or is "villainy" reserved for Republican presidents?  

Here's what John Edwards is doing -- running a poverty center! What's he know about poverty?

http://blog.nam.org/archives/2005/02/john_edwards_wa.php

That high?

Concerning their comments,where else do you expect a ghoul to go if not a graveyard?  The willingness,even the eagerness to capitalize on death and tragedy seems to be a strongpoint and fixation for the avatars of compassion.  Did not Gov. Blanco,who couldn't find the refrigerator in her kitchen,claim it was FEMA's responsibility to find the bodies,the local govt employees being to busy checking out their union contracts?  Concerning what Kerry and Edwards voted for previously,what difference does it make? Their minds,ephemeral like the winds,blow in whatever direction their moods or the NY Times take them. In any case they can always do a 180 degree turn the next day,and no blushing.

To the MSM and most history professors, the answer to your questions is 'yes'.

democrats = good

republicans = bad

Embryo . . .  you KNOW what the left likes to do to embryos.

12 on this post alone who seem to care what Kerry and Edwards say

Sorry, but not one comment within my post actually talked about what either Kerry or Edwards had to say. Nice try, though.

OK, re-reading it, in all fairness, I think you can make the case that one, maybe two posts dealt in some way with the substance of what Kerry and Edwards are saying.

However, I think my point still holds.

For mentioning this, i.e., that most of the folks who are carping about putting FEMA under DHS voted for it!

Conservatives should be pleased with the surprisingly inept, and apparently repeating, strategy of the Democratic presidential contenders to voice 'what is wrong' with America, this administration, etc. while offering no positive vision or solutions for the future. To this I say: "We win again!" (2008).