As If A War In The Middle East Isn't Bad Enough . . .
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We also have to put up with this:
In an apparent reference to Israeli military action deep inside Lebanon, [DNC Chairman Howard] Dean said:
"If you think what's going on in the Middle East today would be going on if the Democrats were in control, it wouldn't, because we would have worked day after day after day to make sure we didn't get where we are today. We would have had the moral authority that Bill Clinton had when he brought together the Northern Irish and the IRA, when he brought together the Israelis and the Palestinians."
Let us count up a few things:
- The war in Bosnia-Herzegovina;
- The al-Aqsa intifada;
- Genocide in Rwanda.
These and other global conflicts occurred when Bill Clinton was in charge. To argue simplistically that they occurred simply because the United States did not have "moral authority" is to engage in transcendental silliness.
But no one ever accused Howard Dean of being a latter day military strategist or student of prodigious Clausewitzian intellectual vigor. And if anyone did, his quote above does wonders in disabusing the benighted of that notion.
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Too funny.
I just spit my iced tea all over my keyboard.
When Dean gets fired from the DNC, he should try stand-up comedy.
Bill Clinton didn't exhibit moral authority over his own zipper never mind international relations (trading campaign cash for missile technology with China).
We're talking about the person who ignored confronting Islamic terrrorists, even after they attacked us (1st WTC bombing, USS Cole, etc) and thereby helped make the terrorists stronger - we're still cleaning up his mess.
"These and other global conflicts occurred when Bill Clinton was in charge".
Unfortuantely, stating something in this fashion opens up what has happened while W has been in charge: ahh..9/11.
If the Democrats were in power still this wouldn't be going on. The press would be playing down the story and trying to do whatever they could to blame bush the elder or Ronald reagan.
It wouldn't be as serious either because the democrats would have caved to whatever demands the terrorists had made. The terrorists would now be plotting what they wanted next and wondering when the nuke would be on its way from Iran.
So yes for once Dean is correct
He may get the Jewish voters to see that supporting the DNC is an invitation to a suicide, and do it single handedly.
Howard Dean is PROUD that President Clinton kissed up to filthy terrorists like Arafat and Adams?
But I submitted the rumour. Maybe tey'll find an answer for it...
his own wife? I don't care how secular she is, she's still Jewish and there must be a limit to even her patience.
that I'd use for any Dimocrat. Arrogance and ignorance come to mind. I'd use hubris but it implies pride that goeth before the fall, and they've long been in free fall.
and they didn't even start an investigation and tracking of the terrorists. But I'm sure Old Bill gave one of his patented " to the ends of the earth" speeches.
In this list of accomplishments for Mid East peace I believe the Wye River accord and that ten day photo extravaganza at Camp David were left out.
I say accomplishments in the sense of PR for Bill, not that they meant anything to the rest of the world.
And now this also gets blamed on Bush!
Clinton was engaged up to his neck in the Israeli-Palestinian business.
And he was sooooo successful with all of his direct personal engagement that we once again have fighting going on. Ah, Howard, if Clinton had actually, you know like accomplished anything, wouldn't one believe that this wouldn't be happening today? Didn't Bill solve all these problems with a wave of his shaft I mean staff?
More of the liturgy of The Church of My God How Wonderful Art The Clintons™
Seriously, the man is the best thing that has happened to the Republicans. I hope the Democrats never tire of him.
Authority" Clinton would have been able to exercise if Monica hadn't been disrtacting him in the kneehole of his desk.
Darfur, Gaza and southern Lebanon. Let them negotiate directly with the bad actors if they're so good. No ceasefires during negotiations.
done "talk" wise to stop this.
I think this whole situation has been years in the making, and part of the problem is that every single conflict between Israel and its Arab neighbors has ended in some kind of cease fire. So nothing gets resolved, they just stop officially killing each other in war.
What this conflict needs is a clear victory and a clear surrender from the losing side.
If diplomacy is the solution then why didn't Clinton's peace talks go anywhere (although Jimmy Carter was involved with those too, maybe it's Carter's fault).
...all he has to do is sound threatening, bash Bush, and, for the most part, sound like a rabid hyena doing so, and he'll be front-page on the NYT and have CNN cover his asenine charge as fact, bringing on the likes of Albright (Halfbright?) to vouch for his lack of mental fortitude (um, I guess they call it "veracity" over there at CNN).
I think I'll keep my tag line. There is only one Serious Political Party™ in this country (on any issue it seems) and it ain't the Democrats.
Maybe Howard the Duck forgot that Arafat's intifada started under the last Democrat White House occupant (just to flesh out your #2) who was able to get the Israelis to conceede 95% of what the Palestinian terrorists wanted. If you had Clinton's moral authority and $5; you could get a Carmel Frappuccino from Starbucks.
in the media, the foundations, the special interest groups, the "think" tanks, and still get to play the game. Most of those employers depend on either federal largesse or government good will, e.g., the Press. When Republicans learn to stop feeding the hand that bites them, then these people will be unemployed.
How Clinton ended the humanitarian crisis in East Timor. Or rather, didn't.
I find the many unemployed Clintonistas preening in front of the cameras as they try to impress a possible D08 presidential camera with their wisdom extraordinary. They sermonize that "dialogue" and "negotiation" are needed, and that this is all Bush's fault because he isn't talking to the terrorists. As if the world was a danger-free zone in 2000. As if. As if George Bush walked into office and conjured up OBL, inspired the North Koreans to pursue nukes, put Hugo Chavez into office, and, to top it all off, caused the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
There is a reason these people are unemployed. Let's keep it that way.
When I play word association games, and put together Bill Clinton and Moral, "authority" is not the next word that jumps to mind.
just like he fixed the North Korean problem in the deal he made with them.
Just think how much better things will be under Hillary, when we can pretend like everything's alright.
"Clinton" and "Moral Authority" in same sentence?
Those 2 terms are oxymoronic, right?
He wasted a couple of empty tents and an aspirin factory right?
Why would you go to Starbucks for anything?
Have we forgotten which "American company" Officially and Publicly denounced the war in Iraq and Everyone involved in it?
I think 'just' was using the word tongue-in-cheekly.
--furious.
9/11 was a one-shot deal. Nothing's happened here since. All those things Pejman listed were ongoing for quite some time before the US took action in regards to them (if any noticeable action at all). The difference is that Bush did something; Clinton gave speeches saying how bad these things were. I'll take action over talk any day.
You knocked him right down, and he was the most powerful strawman every made!!!!!one!!111!oneone!!11!
Now could you show me where in the original post anyone said that nothing has happened in the last 5 & 1/2 years? Oh that's right it's not there. The only one saying that nothing happened during a certain President's term (Clinton's) is Howard the Duck.
So to sum up:
- Howie said everything was perfect under Clinton.
- Pejman shows evidence to the contrary.
- You show everyone that you lack reading comprehension.
- We all laugh at how dumb your argument is.
Why we cannot let these clowns run the show. Yes, I'm mad at Bush as well for various things, but sitting out (which is essentially a vote for Dean and KOS) will only hurt the world in ways too scary to imagine.
Terry McAuliffe could not be replaced. Keep up the good work Dims.
"no one ever accused Howard Dean of being a latter day military strategist or student of prodigious Clausewitzian intellectual vigor", but many have accused him of being an idiot. In case you haven't heard anyone make that accusation, allow me, "He's an idiot."
I think it is pure gravitas to even think that having dems in control of the WH or congress could have prevented Israel and Hezbellah from getting into it.
What has essentially happened is Israel has said "enough is enough" and I don't think who was in office in the US was going to amount to a hill of beans at this point.
Not to mention the dems did such a wonderful job with North Korea (not).
I hadn't heard it in an email. i went to Recruiting school with a retired Marine who claimed to have been in the unit that sent the original letter to Starbucks.
As for the bit on the AP reporter captured during a firefight...
...I'll go take a look for it. Like I said, i don't remember my source for that one...